From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org schemas we talked to be non-free, was: [ELPA] New package: repology.el Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:46:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20210124204657.GA19598@tuxteam.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16117"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Ulrich Mueller , ams@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 24 21:48:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l3mJR-00042M-Di for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:48:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37036 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3mJQ-0003zr-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:48:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3mHp-0003Ey-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:47:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:35253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l3mHn-0003OS-BT; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:47:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:Date; bh=fAhXSsIA6u3uzbPC/6l3WykPJ7QJrbJ6pD5+TbE4t90=; b=Twy255ASm4PrA5T4t6JWlpcXO9RRdoh1KaGmFz0bg6qB8CLDxLr6wrvHt28DHdrHNZp842ilbQElK9TlLnuQevjyoa4YjuoCWy6Ad3jWpNspVUWLIdsV6yzFwp/7mc0WsSFCKnlJgYSJD1vpsOfxp+w5fhtMyd4W0AKbyU2M4w3eubfHArAL8GWI/iyZuhL+mPszFUUdcWd/PbtKwobQAT6fzFBj17QrNV1EuqRojYzS8/Zy8+alzk9IYU2lEH2j9FJ4tbzLZ/hHjUmhCLwIn1GHFS1oP6hVyFUPTHhQfcI2so8TwwVHet9mHY5946sV+hiJNHgM2OLKtDOjlHQv/w==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1l3mHh-0005Ns-On; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:46:57 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263355 Archived-At: --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 10:12:17PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Ulrich Mueller [2021-01-24 20:51]: > > >>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2021, Jean Louis wrote: > >=20 > > > Schemas are attached. > >=20 > > > I see copyright notices inside and it appears to be fully free > > > document modifiable and distributable as long as copyrights remains. > >=20 > > Read these notices carefully. The key paragraph is this: > >=20 > > This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to > > others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published, > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any > > kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this section are > > included on all such copies and derivative works. > >=20 > > Only a special class of derivative works can be distributed freely, > > and it sounds like some of these would fall under "fair use" anyway. > > Certainly this isn't enough to qualify as a free software license? > >=20 > > However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > including by removing the copyright notice or references to OASIS, > > except as needed for the purpose of developing any document or > > deliverable produced by an OASIS Technical Committee (in which case > > the rules applicable to copyrights, as set forth in the OASIS IPR > > Policy, must be followed) or as required to translate it into > > languages other than English. >=20 > Then it is not free. >=20 > Maybe Org mode shall switch from using OASIS infested non-free > specification to Libreoffice. I could not find those files in > Libreoffice folders. But they could be somewhere hidden. LibreOffice's format (ODF) /is/ an OASIS standard [1]. (I have the impression that we might be interpreting to much into the RelaxNG immutability. After all, things like RFCs are, in their way immutable -- you can't change RFC8555 and keep calling it by the same name. Perhaps it'd make sense to talk to the OASIS folks. Cheers [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/OASIS - t --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAmAN3MEACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYPSACfWJEHOsJVVIS83QNSl5sgQ6oZ uccAnjzE+wLFCy+OkGPyLj3qa5RkMZyE =wB0E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl--