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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262512 Archived-At: --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:48:18AM +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Martin. >=20 > On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 18:21:19 +0100, martin rudalics wrote: > > > Forgive me if I become uncustomarily blunt and personal, but it seem= s you > > > are determined to find the worst possible interpretation of everythi= ng, > > > and your replies to so many posts take on an unusually negative tone. >=20 > > Forgive me Alan but >=20 > > > The old "behaviour" seems to be an ad hoc unsystematic mess, not wor= thy > > > even of being called a behaviour. >=20 > > has a rather negative tone too. >=20 > It does, but it's about a thing, not a person's actions. Does it > disturb anybody? Does it disturb you? That's a genuine question. If > so, I will be more careful to avoid repeating the disturbance in the > future. This is from the peanut gallery, and from many a past experience. Take into account that whoever is proposing a change has gone through a possibly taxing experience and has had to muster quite a bit of enthusiasm to follow through. So criticising his/her baby might land, on the other side as a critique of the person him/herself. That doesn't mean, of course, that critique is impossible: on the contrary, that's the only way we (people and things) get better. So... critique away! But use as much empathy in that as you can summon. And, on the original topic, just to illustrate my background a bit: I'm one of those who appreciate infinitely Emacs' relative stability. As a comparison: I've just had a Firefox update. The way the URL bar works changed subtly -- a double-click doesn't leave the URL selected anymore (among other things too subtle to put a name on, but too annoying to just ignore). The expletives I wrote on my personal diary are NSFW. I was, and still am, in rage. Why do they have to change every little thing, just because? This is the contrary of user-empowering. CADT [1], and so on ad so forth. But this way of seeing things is just there, it is my first impression, it is important to understand things. But I feel the duty to distill it in a constructive way before throwing it at any other human being. It's a difficlut balance, but I think it's worth it. We humans are a messy bunch, it seems :) Cheers [1] https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html - t --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl/0SQwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaTbwCdGBwdhEuQ4aOJWekA/T9mRm01 wBQAn2TBL9G4PYa8f4WRgoOPo39eF6ID =SR4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC--