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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260453 Archived-At: On 2020-12-06 08:42, Drew Adams wrote: > > > Yes, because the Dired 'help-echo text is pretty useless: > > > mouse-1: visit this file in other window > > > > You are entitled to your opinion, but others might disagree. > > For one thing, it would be debatable just what file or dir > info to show in the echo area. > > However, this is what Dired+ uses, in place of that echo text, > if `describe-file' is also available (library `help-fns+.el'): > > mouse-1: visit in another window, C-h RET: describe > > `C-h RET' then gives you info about the file/dir in *Help*: This speaks to a prior long thread about the user-friendliness of emacs to new users, in that the keybinding hints are useful to new users and a nice reminder to experienced users who have stepped away from use long enough to forget, but once the keybindings are learned the keybinding hints lose ALL value for that user and Yuri's type of suggestion for supplemental information becomes more useful. =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0