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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:47:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201124084712.GA27615@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR06MB6577E256FBC7C0EA81448A8A96FB0@AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

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On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 08:50:24AM +0100, Arthur Miller wrote:

[...]

> libmpv is just a library to play media files, has nothing to do with
> javascript. You can check yourself:

Until some idiot embeds javascript into some video format spec
and said spec becomes indispensable because That New Platform,
say, Squitch, makes it mandatory (and cheaper videocams follow
that lead, or something).

Then either libmpv follows or we users begin to whine and moan.

You laugh? See how PDF embedded javascript.

Yes, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but at the same time watching
with a mixture of fascination and horror how this arena around
freedom has changed radically the last 20 years. 

Not long ago the "enemy" was secret sauce and closed interfaces.
These days it's more like cripplingly complex systems and user
convenience.

Cheers
 - t

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-24  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-12 20:58 Rethinking the design of xwidgets Akira Kyle
2020-10-12 22:18 ` joakim
2020-10-13 16:07   ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 19:06     ` joakim
2020-10-14  0:33       ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-13 16:09   ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:05   ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 17:24     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 18:29       ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:44         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 19:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:52           ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 17:01               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 19:55                 ` arthur miller
2020-10-13 18:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 21:00           ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15  0:35               ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15  2:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15  3:35                   ` arthur miller
2020-10-15 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 15:20                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 15:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 17:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 18:42       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-10-13 19:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13 20:37       ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 14:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 15:04           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 15:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 13:20               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-17  4:26                 ` Kai Ma
2020-10-17  4:42                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-11-14  5:40                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14 16:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 18:56               ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-15 12:48                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-15 16:25                   ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15 12:35               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16  4:02             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:03               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 18:38                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-17  4:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  4:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-17  6:30                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-17 13:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-17 19:15                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19  3:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  4:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  4:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18  9:31                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19  3:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 12:37                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-19 13:43                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20  5:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20  5:47                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 12:58                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20 13:40                                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21  4:42                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-21  4:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20  5:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20  5:56                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 10:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-20 13:49                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-21  4:46                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:34                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19 14:04                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-20  5:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-18 14:41                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-19  3:48                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-19 13:48                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-16 14:54               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-14 18:07           ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 18:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 19:10               ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-13 18:36     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 18:38       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-13 21:20       ` Aiko Kyle
2020-10-14  0:12         ` Corwin Brust
2020-10-14 19:16           ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14  7:32         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 15:02           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 16:35             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-14 19:22               ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-14 21:29                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-16  4:02                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-16 13:09                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-14 19:24     ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14 21:46       ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-15  5:17         ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-10-14  4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-14  6:36   ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22  3:35 ` Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets) Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 12:01   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:04   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 12:18     ` tomas
2020-11-22 12:57       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 16:24         ` tomas
2020-11-22 17:18           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 17:48             ` tomas
2020-11-22 18:40             ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:58               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 20:29                 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 20:38                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 15:27     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-22 12:50   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-22 18:33     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-22 18:46     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 21:20       ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-11-22 22:04         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 18:29   ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 18:53     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-22 19:35       ` T.V Raman
2020-11-22 20:26         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23  0:46           ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23  3:44             ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23  3:01       ` T.V Raman
2020-11-23  3:47         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-23 16:29           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-11-23  9:39   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 13:26     ` joakim
2020-11-24  6:21       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-23 14:59     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-23 23:47       ` Alan Third
2020-11-24  3:58         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24  8:06         ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24  5:51       ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24  6:24         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-26  4:49           ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-26  5:25             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26  8:27               ` tomas
2020-11-26 14:55                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-26 19:11                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-26 19:34                   ` arthur miller
2020-11-27  8:04                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-27  8:44                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:35                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-27 19:22                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 21:22                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 20:07                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 21:09                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:35                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-27 23:23                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28  0:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-28  8:48                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:22                           ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28  7:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28  5:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-28  8:50                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  5:24               ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-24  7:50         ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24  8:47           ` tomas [this message]
2020-11-24  9:04             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25  8:46                 ` tomas
2020-11-25 15:26                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25 16:15                   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-11-24 15:43             ` T.V Raman
2020-11-25  5:38             ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-25  8:54               ` tomas
2020-11-24  6:23       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-24  3:33     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-24  6:27       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-25  1:36         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-25 15:11           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27 20:56             ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-28  8:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28  8:57                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-28  9:19                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-29  0:22                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  1:29                 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-29  8:22                   ` martin rudalics
2020-11-29 19:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30  3:54                     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 15:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 17:03                         ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-30 18:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30 18:30                             ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-01  7:44                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03  0:24                             ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03  8:07                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 20:34                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-03 20:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-01  8:01                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-01 16:48                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 15:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-01 17:33                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-01 19:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-02 20:37                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 14:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:02                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04  7:48                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03  0:37                         ` Akira Kyle
2020-12-03  8:15                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-03 15:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-03 21:15                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-04  8:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-30  9:05                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-30 16:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-23 22:12   ` Alexander Adolf
2020-11-24  1:30     ` T.V Raman
2020-11-24  8:13       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-24  3:51     ` Akira Kyle
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