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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: feature/completions-highlight-modifications e3c5b99 3/6: Add completions-highlight-mode initial implementation.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201116073919.vtntfpjq4inmco3f@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvft5aklz5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:56:54PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>>> How can I make that emacs find the file automatically? It needs to be
>>>> added in cus-<something>.el right?
>>>What do you mean by "find the file automatically"?
>> Now I have to load the file with -l to be allowed to use the command.
>
>Oh, then you want to put a `;;;###autoload` cookie just above the entry
>point(s).
>
>> 3) If completion-cycle-threshold is a number then candidates are shown,
>> but when start cycling, the <tab> order is independent from the one in
>> *Completions* (this behavior IMO is even worst). Also, there is not
>> feedback between the current candidate and the visible completions list.
>
>Yes, that's the case I find similar.  The differences I can see are:
>- In your code you get to see the other candidates (with
>  `completion-cycle-threshold` the *Completions* is not necessarily
>  shown).
>- In your code, you get to see your selection highlighted in *Completions*.
>- In your code, you have to hit TAB an extra time, whereas with
>  `completion-cycle-threshold` you start cycling as soon as there are
>  few enough candidates.
>- In your code the threshold depends on the size of *Completions* (and
>  the size of the completions themselves?) rather than being a fixed limit.
>- The order of completions is different.
>
>I think it might be a good idea to try and bring those two closer to
>each other.  E.g. when cycling, make sure the *Completions* buffer, if
>shown, displays the choices in the order in which they are cycled, and
>highlight the chosen one.
>
Yes, I tried that, but the resulting code was ugly because the candidate
in completion-cycle-threshold is taken from completion--do-completion
directly and totally unrelated with the *Completions* buffer
content.

Changing that would require some changes of completion--cycle-threshold
/ completion--do-completion in minibuffer.el... I am not a proficient
lisper to do that :(. I don't want to break the universe there.

>I think the key [pun unintended] difference between the two is the extra
>TAB which lets you interpret it as a request to enter a special mode
>with special bindings to move between the different
>displayed candidates.
>

This was intentional because I didn't want to change any default
behavior, so I overloaded the tab just when where unused (*Completions*
is shown and all completions are visible).

The use of the selection/scroll with tab is another effort to not change
any default behavior; because tab scrolls *Completions* when they are
too long. So my code was injected with minimal modification because
initially I wanted to discuss to enable this mode by default in the
future (yes, a man can dream ;p).

I find the current behavior intuitive (and removing the extra tab will
make it even simpler) but I prefer to sacrifice that detail if that
increases the probabilities to enable it by default. Almost only new
users use the *Completion* instead of helm, ivy, icomplete or ido; I
want to improve that first impression.

This is something that could be managed with a custom if you prefer. So
requiring the extra tab or not is easy to implement. Limit the
candidates by number may be a bit more tricky and I am not sure it worth
the effort. Simple is better than complicated. But if you think it worth
the effort I could try...
>
>        Stefan
>
>
Ergus



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-16  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20201115023629.19537.77471@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20201115023631.C78AB20A27@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2020-11-15 18:41   ` feature/completions-highlight-modifications e3c5b99 3/6: Add completions-highlight-mode initial implementation Stefan Monnier
2020-11-15 22:49     ` Ergus
2020-11-15 23:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16  3:37         ` Ergus
2020-11-16  3:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16  5:40             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-16  7:39             ` Ergus [this message]
2020-11-16  5:38           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-16  8:54             ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-16 10:27               ` Ergus
2020-11-16 20:23                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-16 21:16                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-17  0:46                   ` Ergus
2020-11-17 20:02                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-17 20:52                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-18 19:43                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-18 22:45                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-19  3:25                   ` Ergus
2020-11-19  7:45                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-19 10:50                       ` Ergus
2020-11-20  9:32                         ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                           ` <20201120145248.wmbv2zgbvs7bg25i@Ergus>
2020-11-21 19:30                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-22 13:28                               ` Ergus
2020-11-22 20:03                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-22 23:09                               ` Ergus
2020-11-23  9:14                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-23 11:46                                   ` Ergus
2020-11-23 14:13                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-23 19:12                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-23 19:44                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-23 20:54                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-23 23:27                                       ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-10  1:16                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-10  8:23                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-25  8:49                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-20 14:24                         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                           ` <20201120144940.p55brblxpuowslag@Ergus>
2020-11-20 15:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16 16:03               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-16 20:28                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-11-16 21:31                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-18 19:30                   ` Juri Linkov

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