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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 03:39:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201115023934.uvcybhyltpqazerf@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2mtzjznex.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:36:06PM +0200, Andrii Kolomoiets wrote:
>Ergus <spacibba@aol.com> writes:
>
>>>> Pressing TAB seems to be against the philosophy of icomplete, ivy, and
>>>> similar features, at least AFAIU: they display the candidates without
>>>> any prior request by the user.
>>>
>>>Among icomplete, ivy and ido modes only ivy is overriding TAB key.  With
>>>icomplete and ido the overlay text is not the _only_ way of knowing what
>>>inputs are acceptable.  Seems like they has nothing against using TAB to
>>>complete text.
>>>
>> Ivy has ivy-partial-or-done bind to tab by default. Which completes
>> common part or open on single alternative with the default action
>> (find-file for file; dired for directories...).
>>
>> But it is possible to bind tab to ivy-partial in ivy-minibuffer-map
>> instead. Then you have only completion on tab which is probably more
>> familiar for shell users, and a more predictable behavior. Actually the
>> most opposed completion system to use tabs is helm not ivy ;p
>
>In emacs -Q:
>1. M-: (set-frame-height nil 1)
>2. M-x
>3. TAB
>Completion buffer is opened and from now each pressing of TAB will
>scroll completions.
>4. ivy-mode RET
>5. M-x
>6. TAB
>No completions are visible
>7. TAB
>No completions so far but the 'enable-theme' command is invoked.
>
>With TAB rebinded to 'ivy-partial', the command in step 7 is not
>invoked, but still no completions are showed.

Something is wrong in this setup or I don't understand what do you mean,
sorry.

If you do:

Git clone git@github.com:abo-abo/swiper.git
cd swiper
make plain
M-x

Don't you get a completion list in minibuffer (without needing a tab)?

Pressing <Tab> does nothing in this case... because it is not needed.

But If you type something like: defi<Tab>

don't you get: defin (completing the n)

and a list with completion candidates starting with "defin"? (6 in my
case)

then if you do: e<Tab>
you get: define- (completing the -)

and a new shorter list with less candidates?

Ivy doesn't need the tab to show completion candidates, but it completes
with tab and shows the candidates in the minibuffer (like icomplete
does, remember ivy is a fork of icomplete).

Or when you say "completion" are you referring to the *Completions*
buffer only?  Is the *Completions* buffer useful somehow when you
already have the same candidates in the ivy minibuffer with all the
functionalities?  without needing to use the mouse (ivy candidates are
clickable) or change window to select a candidate?




  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-15  2:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-05 23:10 [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  0:04   ` Ergus
2020-11-06  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  8:42     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 10:26   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:57 ` Ergus
2020-11-06  8:43   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 12:36   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 15:15     ` Ergus
2020-11-08 20:14       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:30         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-08 20:36           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-09  3:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-09 21:04           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 15:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 17:18               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:18                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11  9:41                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:17                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 19:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 20:00                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 21:09                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11  8:27                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11  9:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:57                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11  9:38                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 10:01                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 10:21                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 10:53                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 11:22                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:49                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:16                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:28                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 16:05                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11 17:37                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:32                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:26                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 16:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 17:12                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:19                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 17:44                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:50                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 18:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:39                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 20:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 21:55                                       ` Ergus
2020-11-11 22:26                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 22:59                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-12  3:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12  8:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  9:13                                           ` on helm substantial differences - " Jean Louis
2020-11-12  9:20                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 10:25                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 10:54                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 11:33                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:46                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 17:49                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 17:58                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 14:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 15:05                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 15:36                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 16:10                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 12:59                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:36                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:52                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 15:09                                                             ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-13 16:05                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 17:31                                                                 ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-16 10:24                                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:44                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  7:58                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-12  8:52                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 14:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 12:39                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-12 19:31                                         ` Howard Melman
2020-11-12 20:02                                           ` ivy-posframe review - " Jean Louis
2020-11-11 14:09                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:05                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 18:52                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 19:10                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:49                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-12  7:58                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:51                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 16:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 22:51                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-13  8:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:56                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:44                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 10:25                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 17:41                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-17 14:05                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-13 19:27                             ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-17  8:59                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 20:18                           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-14  6:17                             ` Ergus
2020-11-14 20:36                               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-15  2:39                                 ` Ergus [this message]
2020-11-15 19:32                                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 20:01                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  5:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-06 12:40   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 12:59     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 20:28       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:50         ` Jean Louis
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2020-11-06 16:30 Drew Adams
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2020-11-12 17:42                                                 ` Drew Adams

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