From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:41:21 +0300 Message-ID: <20201020184121.GD6994@t400> References: <20200929215849.zg4wzytbrwx2b7ih@Ergus> <84B86B7C-81F0-42DF-894C-BF577E4B3D6E@mit.edu> <83a6x7js6y.fsf@gnu.org> <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201004175447.GG15516@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31347"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: Ergus , fmfs@posteo.net, Qiantan Hong , Emacs development discussions , kfogel@red-bean.com, Stefan Monnier , npostavs@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii To: "Aur??lien Aptel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 26 20:39:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Kg-00082O-0q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 20:39:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42542 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Ke-00010q-SO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:39:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57664) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX898-0002vo-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:33235) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX897-000133-1R; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000012194.000000005F97230A.0000122F; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:27:05 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/26 15:23:12 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 30 X-Spam_score: 3.0 X-Spam_bar: +++ X-Spam_report: (3.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX=3.405, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258475 Archived-At: * Aur??lien Aptel [2020-10-20 19:37]: > On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Jean Louis wrote: > > As it was in the Mother of All Demo by Douglas Engelbart, it is pity > > that Emacs yet does not support such, especially because Emacs can > > support such through its Lisp. > > I don't think it's free software and I've never tried it but there is > this cross-editor plugin Floobits that allows multiple people to edit > interactively the same document from different editors (including > Emacs): > > https://floobits.com/ I would never use it, for reason that it is centralized server and I do not know who are those people, why they do it, probably for money and not to help people to control their computing, they compute for people. But I would never use it primarily for reason that I cannot know what are they doing with my data. It is unthinkable. After looking into Emacs package for floobits, I can see it is made by company Floobits, and it uses Python, like Emacs Lisp cannot connect to their API, I don't believe. Commands like M-x floobits-share-dir-private DIR are supposed to to go over their server?! Ah no. crdt.el from Qiantan is empowering users, they need no floobits servers and whatever insecurities involved with it.