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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258080 Archived-At: On 2020-10-19 05:24, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Stefan Monnier > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:18:34 -0400 > > > > > IOW what would be the advantage of adding a link in `C-h P` to your > > > system, instead of just replacing `C-h P` with your system? > > > > Oh, having just tried it, I see one other advantage: the current `C-h = p` > > displays much more quickly because it doesn't need to load `org-mode`, > > which tends to take a while (not insanely long either, but long enough > > to be noticeable). > > That is a general issue with using Org for other features: it takes > eons to load. Yeah, I noticed it when checking emacs-snapshot for outline-cycle. I never noticed it before probably because my emacs loads it at start up to create the emacs init file. I'm ok with trying outline-minor-mode instead of org-mode once the cycle / navigation features are committed / m= erged. =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0