From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MELPA issues - Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 08:16:37 +0300 Message-ID: <20201018051637.GA9782@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016163345.GD3216@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201017095918.0932fe2e@argon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 07:18:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kU15U-0004vl-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 07:18:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50138 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU15T-0007Xw-J0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:18:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33386) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU14L-0006hY-W9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:44859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU14K-0005Z1-4X; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 01:17:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.141.103]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3E.000000005F8BCFBC.00000C13; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:16:43 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/18 01:16:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258000 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2020-10-18 07:12]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > babel - that uses non-free Babelfish translations (if I am mistaken > > > tell me) > > > > > > calfw-gcal - to edit Google calendar > > When you say that those things are non-free, what precisely does that > mean? It might be a misunderstanding, because a service is neither > free nor proprietary. Service is neither free nor proprietary. That is right. It is my opinion that it does not give freedom to user: - the package "babel" is accessing non-free dictionary, their terms are that one shall not replicate, sell or reporduce content in any way. This warning may not be given to user by the package, and practically, I am using free dictionaries, which information I can embed, including sell as index or glossary. When using babel package, I would as user assume that information is free and would maybe incorporate it in other works, finally I am using Emacs which is meant for text editing. Using Wiktionary on the other hand gives me those freedoms. - for package calfw-gcal, it may allow me to access Google Calendar services. It also implies that me as user must register Google account, meaning I must submit to being tracked by Google, I have access non-free Javascript. Those actions that are necessary before I can use the package calfw-gcal. > Do these packages run any nonfree software or use some nonfree > collection of data? For Babelfish, I doubt that package maintainer complained legally to their terms, for Google calendar package is clear that one has to register Google account by using non-free Javascript in order to use the package. > Or are you referring to the fact that they send commands to a > service? No. I refer to practical facts above.