From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:07:14 +0300 Message-ID: <20201017050714.GV11061@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016191758.GK11061@protected.rcdrun.com> <86b80c47-873b-5e83-cea0-5ac1927f0015@yandex.ru> <20201016200305.GO11061@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5825"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: mve1@runbox.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 07:08:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeSg-0001Ol-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 07:08:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59482 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeSf-0003xk-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48620) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeRA-0002pq-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:57559) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTeR8-0002oh-2m; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.50]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F8A7C07.00003E14; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 05:07:18 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/17 01:07:20 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257911 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2020-10-17 07:19]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Imagine if free software repository would publish only software that > > > wraps around proprietary software, would that be free? So it is matter > > > of policy. > > > Incidentally, if Melpa agrees to your request to remove all packages > > wrapping around proprietary software, it will be a matter of days > > before such a repository appears. > > To move all the recommendations of nonfree software > OUT of Melpa, and into some other obscure new repository, > would be a great step forward! It would eliminate one > of the reasons why currently we must not inform people about Melpa. Author said yesterday or was it today, they are not interested to impose a policy to remove questionable packages, issue is closed, there is no discussion about that at MELPA. Issue was: To remove packages that guide users to non-free software or wrap around proprietary software #7185 Answer by purcell maintainer was: The MELPA maintainers already take some care to host only Emacs Lisp packages with GPL or GPL-compatible licences. We are not aware of any packages which are in legal violation of this compatibility, including the packages you mention. Beyond that, we respectfully decline to institute a policy as proposed, and wish you all the best. > If Melpa then were to eliminates the other reason, reported here > today, that it requires use of nonfree software to contribute > packages, and commits to stay on this path, that could make it > possible for us to recommend Melpa! That would be a big > change for the better. I don't think so, the answer is clear, they will allow GPLG or GPL-compatible licenses without looking into purpose of the package, such open policy allows inclusion of new packages that are meant only to use, control proprietary software, or insecure remote websites, or similar.