From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:40:53 +0300 Message-ID: <20201016204053.GQ11061@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016191758.GK11061@protected.rcdrun.com> <86b80c47-873b-5e83-cea0-5ac1927f0015@yandex.ru> <20201016200305.GO11061@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14560"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Marcel Ventosa , emacs-devel , Richard Stallman , Dmitry Gutov To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 22:48:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTWeN-0003cO-Ai for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:48:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36708 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTWeM-0002yQ-CK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:48:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56946) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTWYx-0000HF-UI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:44793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTWXD-0001UZ-GI; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:42:47 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.50]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3F.000000005F8A055B.00007475; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 20:40:59 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/16 12:33:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257876 Archived-At: * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-16 23:30]: > > For same reaso Debian GNU/Linux cannot be said to be free, at many > > pages they guide users to include non-free software, unspoken from > > Archlinux or other distributions. > > This is, again, a matter of opinion. It may be "user repository" but it is still advertised through Archlinux: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=proprietary&SB= It is hypocritical to say that one repository link or directory is official and other one is not official, of both of them are distributed from the same official domain "archlinux.org" See here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1924794#p1924794 > Arch does believe in free software -- we provide a free software operating system which doesn't depend on proprietary software to run. Any (well, most) Linux operating system could do that. > We *also* believe people have the right to use proprietary software addons if they want to, and in some cases we make it exceedingly easy for them to opt in. > All we care about is that we have written permission from the proprietary owners to do so, and we distribute these in /usr/share/licenses/ along with marking the package as possessing a "custom" license: > https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-c … ISSION.eml > https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-c … ibute.mbox Now for Debian: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Adebian.org+enable+non-free&t=ffab&ia=web Quote from some of links: > "Make sure to enable contrib and non-free in the /etc/apt/sources.list line" > "In some cases the installer detects the need for non-free firmware > and prompts the user to make the firmware available to the installer > to complete the installation. This can happen, for example, with > wireless network cards which often require non-free firmware to > function" > "First you have to enable the non-free repository in APT's > sources.list file: see Section 6.1, "Filling in the sources.list File" > for details about this file. Many firmware are proprietary and are > thus located in this repository." Debian directly instructs users to enable non-free repositories. So that opinion of mine is quite factual.