From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:22:42 +0300 Message-ID: <20201016192242.GL11061@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9566"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: emacs-devel , Richard Stallman , Thibaut Verron , Dmitry Gutov To: Marcel Ventosa Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 21:23:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVKT-0002OV-9N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:23:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVKS-0004eH-CF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVJU-00048e-A2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:36307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVJS-0007S3-OM; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.50]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B37.000000005F89F308.0000693D; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:22:47 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/16 12:33:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257857 Archived-At: * Marcel Ventosa [2020-10-16 17:33]: > > I don't recall any single change in Emacs' behavior that resulted > > from an external poll or survey. > > Why should Emacs development be guided by (external) survey results? I > would think it should be guided, for the most part, by what the people > putting their time into it want to create, within the principles of the > philosophy of the project and its goals. Also, anyone can suggest > changes and convince the maintainers that these changes are in the best > interest of the project (and contribute the actual changes if they are > accepted). There is nothing wrong for Emacs developers to look into external survey results, to look into comments people are making around various websites, or any outside data, it is finally their creation, there is nothing wrong into looking into survey results, especially if something useful can be created out of it. There shall be even a checklist to look for bugs in various GNU/Linux distributions where users report various bugs, as such could be maybe overseen if not reported upstream, then to look into whatever data is available externally, that is all fine.