From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to request changes in Emacs Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 07:59:17 +0300 Message-ID: <20201013045917.GB31408@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <874kn2sdss.fsf@iki.fi> <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011182550.GN2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="761"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 07:00:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSCQ0-00008T-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 07:00:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34600 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSCPz-0008B6-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 01:00:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42992) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSCPF-0007jZ-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 00:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:59347) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSCPD-0002d4-QC; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 00:59:25 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B38.000000005F853428.00003AB9; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 04:59:20 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/13 00:59:21 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 15 X-Spam_score: 1.5 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257517 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2020-10-13 06:50]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Only that "report Emacs bug" does not sound as free form feedback of > > any kind. I know it is, but it does not sound as enhancement > > request. It takes time for person to realize that. > > That is a good point. Do people have concrete suggestions for > how to make it clearer how to request changes etc? We discussed that in this same thread, concrete proposal would be to expand the menu item Help -> Send Bug Report The item "Send Bug Report" could be placeholder for something like "Tell us how to improve" which would expand in more submenu options, something like: - Send Bug Report - Suggest Emacs improvements - Send email to Help GNU Emacs - Join the Help GNU Emacs mailing list - Leave Help GNU Emacs mailing list The item "Suggest Emacs improvements" would be similar like report-emacs-bug, with different wordings, as user is not speaking about the bug, email could be sent to mailing list. It would be free form, and it could also include various information of the system similar as report-emacs-bug GNU Hyperbole has similar features built in. Drew Adams could give maybe better references to emails in this thread, you could review the thread by the subject How to make Emacs popular again.