From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:33:07 +0300 Message-ID: <20201012183307.GB2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <874kn2sdss.fsf@iki.fi> <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> <87362ka9zm.fsf@posteo.net> <669a490e-c037-489c-878e-842e5b7e68a3@default> <20201011203347.GU2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <1a3d7c21-92ee-4e50-a41f-2bacc6f17418@default> <20201012041003.GY2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <1f2d36c2-78a0-4702-ae87-20ccc51fe2b7@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34791"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 20:51:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS2vO-0008wW-3a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 20:51:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52396 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS2vN-0006xZ-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS2dJ-0007lG-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:33:19 -0400 Original-Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:42967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kS2dH-0004m3-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:33:17 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B38.000000005F84A168.000057AE; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 18:33:10 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f2d36c2-78a0-4702-ae87-20ccc51fe2b7@default> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/12 12:36:05 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257491 Archived-At: * Drew Adams [2020-10-12 20:37]: > > Additionally for users who did not set up email system, > > Most users have an email client, and they can use that client for > this. But it is a valid point that some users, who can use email, > might nevertheless not want to, or might prefer another way of > sending feedback. We can accept feedback in more than one way. Just thinking of those Windows users and GNU/Linux and BSD users who would not have the Emacs set for sending email, what if they just use smartphones to send emails? There are different groups of users today, is not same as before 20 years when email was so much popular. There are users using almost exclusively chat systems, disregarding email. I wonder if users on Windows or GNU/Linux who do use email on their system would be properly served with the option 'mail-client'. They would face 3 options, mail-client, transport, smtp, right? I have just tried it on my Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre where I have set mutt as my mail client, so what happened is following: - I have chosen 'mail client' - epiphany browser opened, I do not know why exactly - thereafter xterm opened, with mutt - mutt asked me pre-defined emails as I specified it in the Emacs M-x mail, I guess it would be same as report-emacs-bug - I found my double signature inside of the new email, and when I wanted to send email, my from email was changed to other email address - instead of having Unix style line endings, I could see ^M when editing that new email from mutt, very ugly Overall, on GNU/Linux I am not satisfied with mail-client option, it can be my own bad configuration. And I wonder how well would that work on side of other people using various mail clients, and if at all it would work. I could see following in the new email that was invoked through mail client option, those annoying ^M --Text follows this line--^M ^M ^M -- ^M Thanks,^M Jean