From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 23:42:41 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011204241.GW2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <874kn2sdss.fsf@iki.fi> <20201011103235.GA28425@protected.rcdrun.com> <01c38b5f-c5bd-42cc-b9fb-674504723de5@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19381"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Adrien Brochard , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 22:46:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiEm-0004xe-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:46:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53716 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiEl-0006oT-Ri for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiCD-00045G-Vm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:43:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=59609 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRiCB-00068D-CP; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F836E88.00006FE4; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:43:52 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01c38b5f-c5bd-42cc-b9fb-674504723de5@default> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:16:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257414 Archived-At: * Drew Adams [2020-10-11 23:20]: > > I've said this before.... We should make > > `report-emacs-bug' better known as a recommended > > way to submit ANY feedback about Emacs. > ... > > It might also make sense, for discoverability etc., > > to add a `send-feedback' alias for `send-bug-report'. > > I'll mention also that I often suggest to users > (e.g. on SE.emacs or Reddit) that they use `M-x > report-emacs-bug' to send an enhancement request. > > And pretty much each time I feel obliged to add > something like "(that's for enhancement reports, > as well as bug reports)" so they aren't scared > away by the command name, thinking that it's > something too serious or that they might get > criticized for not submitting a report of a > proper bug. > > An alias that emphasizes general feedback to > improve Emacs would be good, I think. You are putting much energy into that. Then, did you review the bug database, how many enhancements really arrived? Now, speaking of Emacs improvements, those popular configurations are already showing what some users wish and want, they also do good work in attracting new users to Emacs. Speaking of MELPA, that is also something users want, so I hope we start somehow doing elpa.nongnu.org where such packages can be invited, so I understood, polished and distributed. So, all those popular configurations could be then forked into elpa.nongnu.org including thousands of other packages, after careful review. That is for me the summary of this talk, there is need for a shelf with new shiny shoes.