From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 23:12:35 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011201235.GS2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011171508.GM2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <87a6wsd41w.fsf@debian> <20201011184410.GP2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Adrien Brochard , Richard Stallman , Brett Gilio , emacs-devel To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 22:15:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRhkC-0001pW-49 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:15:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34922 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRhkB-0001jp-6r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:14:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRhj5-0001JB-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:13:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=37251 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRhj3-0002vG-BD; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B38.000000005F836775.00006A96; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:13:41 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:16:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257409 Archived-At: * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-11 21:58]: > Le dim. 11 oct. 2020 à 20:47, Jean Louis a écrit : > > > > * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-11 21:28]: > > > > It would be great if melpa.org didn't require Javascript for > > > > functionality, at all. But that is just my opinion. > > > > > > > > It is not possible to browse packages on M-x eww, for example. Perhaps a > > > > fallback would be nice. > > > > > > M-x list-packages ? > > > > It is possible that MELPA webmaster have setup that website with > > intention not to let Emacs users browse packages through Emacs, but to > > force them to install MELPA into Emacs > > > > As the link to packages list is impossible to reach, but the link on > > how to add MELPA to Emacs is quite reachable through Emacs. > > I think you're making an unfair "trial of motives" here. Slight act of distracting and magic is done, instead of letting users understand what MELPA is, like does it at all offer free software (it is not described on the page or mentioned), it just says: do this and install this in Emacs, then proceed with installation of packages. It does not link back to Emacs software page, which I would as responsible webmaster always do. As I am not a judge, I make no trials, my impression though remains the same that it was intentional. Now you say the bug report from 2016 to make MELPA browsable by Emacs still remains same. > For the record, here is the (short) discussion on the topic: > https://github.com/melpa/melpa/issues/3483 I see some pretty trivial nonsense there: > "There is therefore no easy way to fix this, and I don't believe it > is worth a bigger effort," How it was done by using Javascript, it can be done by using Emacs Lisp or any other programming language, and generate static pages, quite automatically. > You can add Melpa to the list of repositories in an emacs instance and > then browse it with list-packages. That will not "install Melpa" if > you don't add the repository line in your init.el. I am speaking of accessibility subject. It will be remedied with elpa.nongnu.org