From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 21:34:51 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011183451.GO2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011171508.GM2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4177"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Adrien Brochard , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 20:37:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgE1-0000yZ-Nn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 20:37:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42280 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgE0-0002lc-Pc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgDW-0002LH-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=42609 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRgDT-0000ar-Ku; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F8350CF.00005AC0; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:37:00 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:16:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257391 Archived-At: * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-11 20:37]: > > MELPA probably collects information of IP addresses, locations, and > > number of downloads, thus they have enough data and possibilities for > > their own survey. By the way, it disallows me to browse the MELPA.ORG > > website without Javascript, I do not know if it is free or not. > > LibreJS only blocks two scripts on melpa.org: a twitter widget, and a > google analytics snippet. > > Neither of those are necessary for using the site. I expect that any site promoting Emacs based software is accessible through Emacs and that such site should not expose me to Google Intelligence and Twitter, I don't like being tracked across other websites. I can perfectly use http://elpa.gnu.org through Emacs I cannot at all use https://melpa.org through Emacs, it is impossible. It is common sense not to design sites in such stunned way (sorry I was looking for synonyms of "stupid" not to be too bold). Website of MELPA is ridiculous. If it promotes Emacs, it should be accessible through Emacs. And now we discuss what Emacs users want, example me, I don't want to be pushed around. MELPA * Packages <--- I can click, but nothing happens * Getting started <--- I can click, but nothing happens * GitHub <--- brings me to Microsoft Github (THE LINK WORKS!!! YEAH!!!) MELPA (Milkypostman’s Emacs Lisp Package Archive) * Up-to-date packages built on our servers from upstream source * Installable in any Emacs with 'package.el' - no local version-control tools needed * Curated - no obsolete, renamed, forked or randomly hacked packages * Comprehensive - more packages than any other archive * Automatic updates - new commits result in new packages * Extensible - contribute recipes via github, and we'll build the packages This site requires JavaScript to function. You can browse and install packages directly from Emacs (see MELPA's README.md on GitHub). Source code for this page → JavaScript license information -------- end of inaccessible MELPA website -------- I cannot wait for non-GNU ELPA to begin. Jean