From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:08:40 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24818"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) To: Richard Stallman , Adrien Brochard , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 14:09:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRaAk-0006NX-QC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:09:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50688 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRaAj-0007DN-Sm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRaAB-0006nr-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=53767 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRaA9-0005Ju-Jh; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3C.000000005F82F5EA.00001FB4; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:09:14 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 06:33:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257358 Archived-At: * Vasilij Schneidermann [2020-10-11 10:38]: > > If it mentions Melpa, it must explain the ethical reason we cannot > > recommend anything about Melpa. > > > > I would rather not mention that name at all. > > Not mentioning MELPA as an option because you feel uncomfortable about > it will distort survey results, especially for the part where you ask > what package archives people use. Worse, it leads to a self-reinforcing > effect: If the true extent of people using MELPA is unknown, > emacs-devel will continue making choices on the false premise that MELPA > isn't a thing at all. In the worst case GNU ELPA will be eclipsed by > MELPA and cease to be of any practical concern (and it sure seems to me > that this is where things are heading currently). Remember, this is a > survey to find out how Emacs users use their editor, not about how much > they adhere to FSF ideology. Does MELPA contains non-free software?