From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:58:05 +0300 Message-ID: <20201011115805.GA2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28215"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: Adrien Brochard , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 14:00:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRa21-0007Fc-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 14:00:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45580 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRa20-0004aH-Aa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:00:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40530) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRZzz-0003JW-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 07:58:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=59947 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRZzx-00041Z-UI; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 07:58:47 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B37.000000005F82F371.00001EA4; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:58:40 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 95.85.24.50 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 06:33:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 4 X-Spam_score: 0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257356 Archived-At: * Thibaut Verron [2020-10-10 13:56]: > I would add a "I don't know" item here. > > > ** Describe your configuration > > - I am using vanilla emacs (little to no configuration). > > - Custom configuration > > - Spacemacs - https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs > > - Doom Emacs - https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs > > - Prelude - https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude > > - purcell emacs.d - https://github.com/purcell/emacs.d > > - magnars emacs.d - https://github.com/magnars/.emacs.d > > - Emacs Starter Kit - https://github.com/eschulte/emacs-starter-kit > > - oh-my-emacs - https://github.com/xiaohanyu/oh-my-emacs > > - Better Defaults - https://github.com/technomancy/better-defaults > > - Graphene - https://github.com/rdallasgray/graphene > > - ohai-emacs - https://github.com/bodil/ohai-emacs > > - ergoemacs-mode - https://github.com/ergoemacs/ergoemacs-mode > > - Rho Emacs - https://github.com/GChristensen/rho-emacs > > - Radian - https://github.com/raxod502/radian > > - Centaur Emacs - https://github.com/seagle0128/.emacs.d > > - Other The Emacs bug report system already include packages employed by various users, so the survey data of who uses which package, on which system, which Emacs version, is already there in the bug system. It needs only be evaluated, Emacs Lisp could crawl through the bug report and find out which packages are used mostly, which configurations, themes are used mostly by those who report bugs. Help menu -> Tell us how to improve Emacs, could automatically ask user to send whatever list of packages user is using, of course by asking user for permission, in similar way how that does the function {M-x report-emacs-bug} I am against advertising of the Microsoft® Github® on any official Emacs communication lines. I find the above Microsoft Github list biased for the reason that the list have been made in specific order by somebody and I do not see why should Centaur be last and Spacemacs first. Additionally, whoever made the list, already have got it by popularity, in fact, there is nothing to be asked, as Github is asking users to LIKE the project, there are "stars" given by users, so if you wish to know which Github project is more popular, use the following search: https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=emacs&s=stars&type=Repositories The evaluation is right there, as it is sorted by stars given by its users. Thus the above list is absolutely not necessary. Emacs, as free software, in general should not be pointing users to Github for reasons of non-free Javascript. Jean