From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vasilij Schneidermann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:35:53 +0200 Message-ID: <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Adrien Brochard , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 09:39:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVwj-0009tD-LE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:39:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51620 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVwi-0003w3-KE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:39:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVto-00080j-RU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:36:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mout-p-101.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.151]:42342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRVtj-0003Uy-TM; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:36:07 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org (smtp1.mailbox.org [IPv6:2001:67c:2050:105:465:1:1:0]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-101.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C8DBQ47ytzKmbC; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:35:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at heinlein-support.de Original-Received: from smtp1.mailbox.org ([80.241.60.240]) by gerste.heinlein-support.de (gerste.heinlein-support.de [91.198.250.173]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id pHyGqzQvJ4DR; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , Adrien Brochard , emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Score: -5.01 / 15.00 / 15.00 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A948F17EA X-Rspamd-UID: 20a217 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.151; envelope-from=mail@vasilij.de; helo=mout-p-101.mailbox.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 03:35:58 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257348 Archived-At: --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > If it mentions Melpa, it must explain the ethical reason we cannot > recommend anything about Melpa. >=20 > I would rather not mention that name at all. Not mentioning MELPA as an option because you feel uncomfortable about it will distort survey results, especially for the part where you ask what package archives people use. Worse, it leads to a self-reinforcing effect: If the true extent of people using MELPA is unknown, emacs-devel will continue making choices on the false premise that MELPA isn't a thing at all. In the worst case GNU ELPA will be eclipsed by MELPA and cease to be of any practical concern (and it sure seems to me that this is where things are heading currently). Remember, this is a survey to find out how Emacs users use their editor, not about how much they adhere to FSF ideology. > Let's add a short test: we could offer multiple choice answers for > each of these. For some questions the user should be able to select > multiple answers, and should select all that are valid. >=20 > > What is GNU? >=20 > > What is GNU/Linux? >=20 > > How does GNU Emacs related to GNU? >=20 > > What is free software (libre software)? >=20 > > Which of these are free liceenses? >=20 > > How does GNU relate to free software? See my last sentence above. What's the point of this quiz? Finding out what percentage of Emacs users fully believes in GNU's goals? 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