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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Qiantan Hong <qhong@mit.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: crdt.el collaborative real time editing for Emacs
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:07:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201005080726.GA4453@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EC602765-9F1A-4269-9F2E-4F05C50AE1E7@mit.edu>

Hello Qiantan,

I have the Ethernet switch and few computers in house, I can test
features.

* Qiantan Hong <qhong@mit.edu> [2020-10-05 09:45]:
> Hi Jean,
> 
> Thanks again for the report! Currently the code is at very
> alpha stage so sorry for any bugs in it.

That is natural.

> Could you provide a bit more detail on the yanking issue?

Yes, I have been testing that, first it appeared to work, then when
yanked from server, it did not appear on the connected computer.

Then I have saved file on server. Then I have yanked again into file,
it did not appear on connected computer.

> Did it just failed for one particular yank operation or all yanking
> doesn’t work?

Now I cannot say why it happens, I say it happens.

If undo is done on connected computer, the undo is not shown on the
server.

> I’m more worried about the former case — which means some
> bug lies in the algorithm implementation and it’s really hard to
> reproduce — haven’t reproduce it yet.

> It would be also helpful in this case that you can provide some
> description of operations happened before this bug is triggered.

> But if it’s the latter then it might just be some other package
> interference with the change hook or the change hook is not
> installed correctly, either case, much easier to fix.

Sure, I will do that little later, when I have computers one to each
other, right now they are separate, I have to walk from room to room
and do action by action.

What means crdt.el ?

Many times of editing are collaborative editing, to say that it is
only collaborative would not be proper, it is better to say "real time
collaboration" and even better "simultaneous editing":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_editing

The mode should be named in easier fashion, something that is easy for
users to enable or turn off.

Later I will give you more detailed transcript what I did, the crdt.el
leaves some messages too, I can collect those as well. 

Jean



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-05  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200921120518.35d56p747pr5mhta.ref@Ergus>
2020-09-21 12:05 ` Question collaborative editing Ergus
2020-09-21 13:35   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-21 16:24     ` Ergus
2020-09-21 20:25     ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-24  1:36       ` Ergus
2020-09-24 21:41         ` Fermin
2020-09-25  0:22           ` Ergus
2020-09-25 10:34             ` Fermin
2020-09-26 16:33               ` Ergus
2020-09-29 16:01                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-29 21:46                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30  9:52                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-28  0:43               ` Ergus
2020-09-29  0:00                 ` Fermin
2020-09-29  1:01                   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-29  8:25                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 12:45                       ` Ergus
2020-09-29 15:58                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-29 16:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29 16:33                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27  5:10                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27 12:46                               ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 17:35                         ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-29 21:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-29 23:40                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30  0:13                               ` Ergus
2020-09-30  0:47                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30  7:40                                 ` Karl Fogel
2020-09-30 13:19                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30 17:00                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-02 18:48                                     ` Emacs + Etherpad compatibility? (was: Question collaborative editing.) Karl Fogel
2020-10-02 20:34                                       ` Emacs + Etherpad compatibility? Stefan Monnier
2020-10-03 10:01                                         ` Michael Albinus
2020-09-30 13:46                                 ` Question collaborative editing Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 13:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 15:47                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 16:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 17:00                                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 17:04                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 17:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 17:48                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-09-30 18:08                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 23:11                                               ` Ergus
2020-10-01 13:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 15:21                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-01 23:10                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-01 15:55                                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-30 17:08                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 14:11                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:01                                       ` Ergus
2020-10-01 16:44                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-01 16:53                                           ` Ergus
2020-10-01 17:29                                             ` Yuri Khan
2020-10-02  3:00                                               ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-02  7:30                                             ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-02  7:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 10:01                                               ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-10-02 11:33                                               ` Ergus
2020-10-02 12:13                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-04 17:54                                           ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-04 18:45                                             ` Caio Henrique
2020-10-04 19:48                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04 23:59                                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  0:05                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  1:08                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-05  4:40                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-05  5:48                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  6:18                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
     [not found]                                                           ` <EC602765-9F1A-4269-9F2E-4F05C50AE1E7@mit.edu>
2020-10-05  8:07                                                             ` Jean Louis [this message]
2020-10-05  8:22                                                               ` crdt.el collaborative real time editing for Emacs Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05 14:03                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 17:05                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05 18:17                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 14:11                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  9:39                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  8:51                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  3:53                                                   ` crdt.el - collaborative " Jean Louis
2020-10-05  4:02                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-05  4:11                                                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  5:34                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05  5:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  6:15                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-05  6:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  7:31                                                         ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05  8:44                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-05 13:20                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-05 17:20                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-06  1:03                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-06  1:41                                                               ` T.V Raman
2020-10-06  8:52                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-06 17:32                                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 16:15                                                                 ` Ergus
2020-10-20 17:11                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-20 18:51                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 20:36                                                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-27 21:54                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2020-10-27 22:45                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-29 16:21                                                                             ` Ergus
2020-10-28 16:29                                                                         ` Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Jean Louis
2020-10-28 16:40                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 17:13                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - crdt.el, does it use SSL? Jean Louis
2020-10-28 21:51                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 22:36                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 23:08                                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-29  5:43                                                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-02  9:47                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-02 10:02                                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 17:20                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - torify emacs Jean Louis
2020-10-28 18:01                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-28 18:56                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-29  4:57                                                                             ` Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Richard Stallman
2020-10-31  4:16                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-31  5:33                                                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 18:21                                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Jean Louis
2020-10-06 18:20                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-07  0:00                                                                 ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  1:50                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  1:58                                                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  2:12                                                                     ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  2:42                                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-09  7:04                                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  8:36                                                                           ` joakim
2020-10-09 13:33                                                                             ` Joe Corneli
2020-10-09 15:33                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 17:49                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 18:21                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 18:26                                                                                   ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-11 18:56                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 19:57                                                                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-12  2:26                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-12  3:22                                                                                           ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-12 14:40                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-12 16:53                                                                                               ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-13 13:31                                                                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-10-11 18:40                                                                                 ` Joe Corneli via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-09 17:46                                                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-09 17:50                                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09 20:31                                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2020-10-10 17:09                                                                             ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-09  7:09                                                                         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-10-05  5:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  3:10                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-20 16:37                                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2020-10-20 18:41                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-26 19:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-26 20:26                                                   ` too many Jean Louis
2020-10-28  4:45                                                   ` Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Richard Stallman
2020-10-28 15:08                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-28 16:20                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-28 16:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-28 16:59                                                           ` Jean Louis

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