From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 13:07:19 +0300 Message-ID: <20201004100719.GR32715@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <caa3a750-eb75-7418-2e2d-a805889e18a5@yandex.ru> <CADs++6idFXfjZnpn-cYi=1PM8XEfF3DnYuyaXy-uEraK06xZqQ@mail.gmail.com> <E1kNTrx-0004SS-1S@fencepost.gnu.org> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kNpy4-0004bS-JF@fencepost.gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kOC7h-0003N9-8B@fencepost.gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kOurL-0004al-2O@fencepost.gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7915"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 12:08:40 2020 Return-path: <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1kP0wZ-0001yY-K2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:08:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53832 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org>) id 1kP0wY-0006kK-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 06:08:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <bugs@gnu.support>) id 1kP0vZ-0006Io-Hr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 06:07:37 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36445) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <bugs@gnu.support>) id 1kP0vX-0005gn-6N; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 06:07:37 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.178]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000005A13D.000000005F799EDB.000070B5; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 03:07:22 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/04 04:25:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257022 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/257022> * Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> [2020-10-04 10:04]: > > From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> > > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com > > Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:51 -0400 > > > > There are other reasons why it is bad to adopt "talk to a server" as > > your default way to do something, and for bad the community to adopt > > "talk to a server" as its default recommendation and practice. > > > > Getting an answer over the network can take time. > > > > It can cost you money, in some circumstances. > > > > It can fail, if the network is having a problem. > > > > It can result in tracking your movements, if it requires you to > > activate a network connection that identifies and tracks you. > > > > It can be impossible, if you don't have a connection > > at that time or place. > > I think we should let the user decide whether such risks are relevant > in each and every case, and whether these risks, if they exist, are > worth taking. Universities are often off-line, something impossible for you to imagine in the US, is very realistic in East Africa. Students may be prevented having mobile phones, but not prevented having computers. In too many countries Internet is not easily available or accessible, and is too often too expensive for even normal people to access it how they want it. > We explain these issues on the FSF site, so the considerations and > the risks are well known. They may be well published by FSF, but they cannot possibly be known to general public as referencing and finding articles is not easy. It is well known to smaller group of people who are fans of FSF and the website. > We can explain this again in our documentation where relevant. This > way, we can consider users informed and capable of making their own > decisions. I have totally different impression. So many times I am explaining friends and associates about this subject, I am talking face to face to people I know, majority of people are not aware of any risks in networking. That is greatest problem in our society right now. In my opinion with technology development, society will become dumber 100% within only next 5 years, so avoiding unsecure networking and making people aware is necessity of today.