From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 19:33:08 +0300 Message-ID: <20201002163308.GM3520@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvdf6kf.fsf@gnu.org> <20201002161307.GK3520@protected.rcdrun.com> <83o8lkeh3o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16139"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, torsten@myrkr.in-berlin.de, ams@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 21:57:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kORBe-00044V-Sb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 21:57:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37982 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kORBd-0003k1-VC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 15:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43042) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kORAy-0003JA-Ai for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 15:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:53739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kORAw-0002lT-47; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 15:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.178]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000099F48.000000005F77860C.00005457; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 12:56:59 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83o8lkeh3o.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/02 15:57:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -2 X-Spam_score: -0.3 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256967 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-02 19:19]: > > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 19:13:07 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com, > > philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, > > dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com > > > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-02 10:09]: > > > What's so special about wiktionary that we should prefer it? The > > > other free and PD dictionaries used by dict.org aren't of lower > > > quality, and sometimes much better. > > > > The official GNU Dico project can show you mass of dictionaries being > > served from official GNU Dico server, including over web, see here: > > > > https://dicoweb.gnu.org.ua/ > > > > and here http://www.gnu.org/software/dico/ > > > > So everything is there, including Wikipedia and Wiktionary and > > plethora of other dictionaries. > > That doesn't answer my question, does it? Sorry. For me, when defining the word, etymology is important for full understanding. That is main reason for Wiktionary for me. Good reason is that Wiktionary is localized in many languages, for example Indonesian with so many people. Quote from Wiktionary website: Wiktionary has grown beyond a standard dictionary and now includes a thesaurus, a rhyme guide, phrase books, language statistics and extensive appendices. We aim to include not only the definition of a word, but also enough information to really understand it. Thus etymologies, pronunciations, sample quotations, synonyms, antonyms and translations are included. Wiktionary has web interface that can hardly be replicated by dictd protocol, as web interface gives so many references that are helpful in the study. Thus in my opinion, when dictionary.el looks up word in Wiktionary, there shall be the 2 extra options: - the link to the hyperlinked display of Wiktionary entries - customization for the host that serves Wiktionary entries, as this could be also localhost or local network server