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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256937 Archived-At: On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 11:54:16PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: >[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >C-z suspends most programs, running under a login shell. >It should suspend Emacs too. > I agree with this conceptually. But this is more a desperate measure due to the lack of bindings. Also there are some programs that don't use C-z; as Stefan mentioned on yesterday. To be not so disruptive that's why I think that C-z C-z is the most conservative alternative. >-- >Dr Richard Stallman >Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) >Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) >Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > >