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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256871 Archived-At: On Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 05:11:44PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: >* Eli Zaretskii [2020-09-30 19:20]: >> That's the problem collaborative editing needs to solve, isn't it? >> The communications between clients should allow resolution of >> differences in buffer position, and detection of losing track of text >> modifications. > >Maybe it could be done with some kind of a queue server on TCP port >between the local Emacs and clients. It is a bit more complex, because for remote editing it is not easy to establish connection in different NAP, cross firewalls, and so on. And as I said before, we don't have resources to provide a server service for this that runs "our" CRTD server. Withing the same network it still requires a sort of local service to solve the conflicts. And that also needs to be implemented...