From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:39:29 +0300 Message-ID: <20201001143929.GU4797@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30285"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 16:41:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzlZ-0007mj-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:41:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42138 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzlY-0006gD-Uj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzkG-0006Ef-2j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:39:44 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzkD-0001o3-Iw; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:39:43 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.169]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000EDCAC.000000005F75EA24.0000380A; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:39:32 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/01 08:21:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256851 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-01 16:08]: > > From: Richard Stallman > > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, > > emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 00:13:20 -0400 > > > > > https://hewgill.com/dict/ > > > > Unfortunately, it is a "site", meaning a server you have to contact > > over the internet. > > > > The tendency to involve other people's computers in doing jobs that > > you could do on your own computer is a fundamental wrong turning in > > computing practice. 'dict' is an example of this problem. > > > > We need to lead people away from that paradigm, not adapt our > > activities to fit into it. > > I understand the general issue with using services, but in this case > the server just sends the description of a word taken from a > dictionary. Aren't we a tad too radical, perhaps even extreme, in > this case? It's not like the server calculates something that could > be subverted by a server we don't control. What harm could be done by > looking up a word? And how is it different from the command we have > that queries an Internet search engine (M-s M-w)? Or from asking an > SMTP server to send an email message? As long as dict database of Wiktionary exists, as I think, by the license, it should exist, so I have asked the webmaster to tell me about that. If the database does not exist, server can go down any time, and users will be left in rain. Relying on a server is not good, it is always better that local dictionaries can be installed, it is cost efficient for a university, school or any network to rely on their own computers, and not remote computers. Dictionary must be made accessible offline, just as paper dictionaries are.