From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:16:06 +0300 Message-ID: <20200928051606.GH16995@protected.rcdrun.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19862"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 28 07:17:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kMlXL-00052U-If for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:17:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37574 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMlXK-0002NR-Jy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMlWk-0001w0-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:16:43 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:56865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMlWe-0007wh-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2020 01:16:40 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.155.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000087FC9.000000005F7171A1.00004EA9; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:16:15 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/28 00:11:07 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256572 Archived-At: Emacs is today more popular than ever. There is no decline in popularity, there is increase in popularity. If one is developing or let's say simply loving Emacs as software, then one should look into how many new users are coming to Emacs and how spread and disseminated is Emacs and what impact it does, and if that impact is greater and greater or lesser and lesser. There is no point in measuring various other editors and looking into the proportional statistics of editor usage, to say that Emacs is not popular, as that is incorrect, inadequate, let me also say false statistics, that spreads doubts, it's negative energy. Let me give you example: Time period 1: - emacs users 20 - other editor A 20 - other editor B 35 Time period 2: - emacs users 25 - other editor A 23 - other editor B 38 Time period 3: - emacs users 30 - other editor A 30 - other editor B 42 In this blunt example, if you look into how many other editors are used and compare that to Emacs, you could be saying that Emacs is not popular. But that is wrong way of looking into things, what one has to look is if Emacs is being used more and more. If I sell bread from my own bakery, I do not mind and it becomes really not relevant, if so many other bakeries are out there, also seling all kinds of bread. What really makes impact to me, as from my viewpoint, is if my bread is selling more and more. As that is the one true statistics of improvement and impact. Statistics of improvement and impact and popularity of Emacs should be watched from Emacs distribution statistics. I have no access to YouTube, as I did not pay tax for Internte here in Uganda and don't use VPN to access it, but I think that YouTube offers searches by time, so one could search for Emacs in specific year maybe, as what I know is that today there are more and more Emacs presentations and videos, and more and more people speak about Emacs, as I am observing it last 21 years, I can say today is Emacs more popular than ever. Jean