From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 20:19:58 +0300 Message-ID: <20200921171958.GB3551@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <83sgbd1qsz.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11455"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 07:07:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKaWz-0002sH-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 07:07:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51576 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKaWy-0003uN-Mv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:07:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKaWU-0003RO-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37437) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKaWS-0008Or-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.18]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000056140.000000005F698668.00003635; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:06:48 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/22 01:06:50 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 11 X-Spam_score: 1.1 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256311 Archived-At: * Ergus [2020-09-20 03:45]: > There have been too many years of licences nobody reads and msoffice useless splash. So people now install the programs just pressing next next next accept. > > The problem is that 90% of the cases the information there is pretty useless (publicity, license, offers for an account) so most people assume that in our case it will be the same and usually ignores that. I am not sure how you come to seach information, as it is very general. I could present Emacs to various people and see if they have read the splash screen, and then after 5 or 10 attempts, I could have statistics, who read what, if they found that there is Tutorial or not, or what else they remembered and if they have read the splash page. With 100 people in the test, such information would be valuable statistics. Without mass of people tested randomly, it is harder to say that splash is useless for people because it was maybe useless for one msoffice user. I can speak for myself, as it is hard to speak for others, so I know that I was reading licenses of proprietary software before 1999, and I know that I was reading everything that Emacs had to offer, from splash screen, Tutorials in few languages, and GNU news and anything else, I did read it, and that is how I got fascinated with the free software. -- Thanks, Jean Louis