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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256036 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:48:11AM +0300, Juri Linkov wrote: >> > > "Poor"? the below just says that other applications (which ones?) do >> > > it slightly differently, that's all. I don't see how what you say >> > > justifies the "poor" part. >> >> > Yes, this is subjective, >> >> The worst problem is, it is not concrete enough to be constructive. >> If someone says your program is "poor", what could you usefully do? >> >> Please be more specific when you criticize. > >Constructively, I propose to include in Emacs a new mode >(with a name like 'modern-mouse-mode') where > >- down-mouse-3 and mouse-3 pop up the context menu > containing at least the items "Cut", "Copy", "Paste", "Undo", "Redo" > (and only "Copy" when the buffer is in read-only mode); >- holding down the Shift key while using mouse-1 adjusts > the already active region; >- dragging the active region moves it to the place > where the mouse-1 was released; >- dragging the active region copies it to another place > while holding down the Control key; >- holding down the Shift key while scrolling with mouse wheel > scrolls the buffer horizontally; > >> > but while I use the mouse in other apps, >> > every time I try to use the mouse in Emacs, I can't make any sense of >> > default mouse bindings mess, >> >> Which bindings do you find confusing? > >This is just incompatibility between the currently active old mode >that follows what X applications do, and more modern mouse bindings >used nowadays in other applications. So two separate modes are needed. I haven't follow this but it seems very interesting, do you think it makes sense that this becomes part of CUA-mode or are you thinking to keep it apart?