From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: <20200916213609.GA635@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <87v9ge3tet.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83bli57dug.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27078"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel , mardani29@yahoo.es, akrl@sdf.org To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 23:37:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIf7e-0006xw-2x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:37:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59150 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIf7d-0003rr-2V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45314) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIf6Q-0003Ng-4e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:36:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com ([212.3.242.97]:42044) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIf6N-0001hs-MM; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:36:33 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth2.co-bxl (smtpauth2.co-bxl [10.2.0.24]) by mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CE9190B; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:36:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1600292188; s=20200222-6h9o; d=idiocy.org; i=alan@idiocy.org; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To; l=999; bh=QLe9F4geA0I04xE0a9JyBmX1yXpewuXL7iupuaRAa7k=; b=S/gYlHanDDeGJukImfLKUTb8ajzKP7WZAh9By2DX/COEKwJkXYJ0t6yMSkP9t6cv aS6hFeTm5ASkl3D/l+klhKButfZGtJM9aZRWFoVawE5J2VWvBI6mc7K8Ax5PujuMXdT MAgnDNreUIfZ4TZM7Rxv/WfnDZLWUnsBfsdUlA+TFDC9rJVlArsFIyrTWQle+XY6zi0 vfk7wFcAIvFrR37xjhVYCyNgjdIivgdfRJdATMbZcOqqgFRDu+H8ZOjRUDkwihbHUqC Id1QRpT7i2D+s9Od9Cv2gH8OEPE+UxTLLVFdvN+tEq+ldpU20IFIfKgPnNCeasm7ahf v+bdUYjLmQ== Original-Received: by smtp.mailfence.com with ESMTPA ; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:36:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3E4B5202558FC4; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:36:09 +0100 (BST) Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Thibaut Verron , Eli Zaretskii , self@gkayaalp.com, akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel , mardani29@yahoo.es Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ContactOffice-Account: com:241649512 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.3.242.97; envelope-from=alan@idiocy.org; helo=mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/16 17:36:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255933 Archived-At: On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:02:20PM +0200, Thibaut Verron wrote: > I don't think that I'm the only one with this understanding, see for > example the earlier post suggesting the name newbie-mode (synonymous > to beginner-mode for me) with the idea that users would eventually > grow out of this mode, like training wheels. I don't consider any of > the suggested settings to be training wheels. It's the use of the theme (or mode) that's expected to be "grown out of". As the user progresses they'll discover they like this, but they don't like that, and now they have to make the choice of whether to disable the theme and just enable the features they want in their init.el, or enable the theme and try to disable the features they don't want in their init.el. I think the latter option is less desirable and probably harder to achieve. Perhaps the theme should come with documentation explaining what you need to add to your init.el to achieve the same effects. -- Alan Third