From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing line widths in the Emacs source code Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20200914074230.GA13929@tuxteam.de> References: <87tuw1x016.fsf@gnus.org> <20200913142210.GA4285@ACM> <87d02pmsi7.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> <87o8m9sadk.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87k0wxjl6j.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37920"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 14 09:43:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHj9D-0009mK-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:43:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42392 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHj9C-0007MV-Ua for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 03:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54714) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHj8a-0006Ss-GF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 03:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:41045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHj8Y-00056V-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 03:42:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=8iqe5iEdJ22bzGYVX+npbPBKFk9A8p/+sc0pvOLTxqI=; b=f5AVDpaVZMVaqGPy4KMzieTMKSBkbaKo0nPpSAY70y7Ur6dJX3/vF8zsslPCGaN4vMddlm6ehZobcjEY/+khDr/yT9BEV/iqlXnkRpsBDOYVOK0GKORe/y8dJ0MiaVIVOs3eRQYBtIyYTgMu9om+2utQoXlWyIYENRb8EL4sBIx7tjWF8l8rywgvtL1BPzetIOLYglScfS6ufWYCg01dgeoOAnV+bzuo2CWYZPTjuHyE0fTtSHTmTwJGLOGwGbwSv1SGB3VJbRG/bJEw1jjMsL7HzcM8udufrJV0+A54TX+HmaMVKX8RSGZmf1ZsksDhzFXiPj1ayTDmb1i9Y3fkiA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1kHj8F-0003uH-3y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:42:35 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/14 03:42:36 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_DOTEDU=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255611 Archived-At: --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 07:28:04PM -0700, T.V Raman wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >=20 > This could also be language specific. Languages like Java and perhaps > also C++ end up with unduely long identifiers when you have a complex > package/module system in use --- that then makes 80 columns hard. In the foreword to SICP [1], Alan Perlis writes "Algol 60, [...] lives inthe genes of Scheme and Pascal. [...] Pascal is for building pyramids -- imposing, breathtaking, static structures built by armies pushing heavy blocks into place. Lisp is for building organisms -- imposing, breathtaking, dynamic structures built by squads fitting fluctuating myriads of simpler organisms into place." There was no Java or C++ around back then, but I think they fit the "Pascal" pattern even better than Pascal itself. Pyramids are built, remember, of huge stone blocks. Cheers [1] https://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z= -H-5.html#%_chap_Temp_2 - t --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl9fHuYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kY1CwCbBpvGMGHMZAUjAIPs2skD5s0d IVQAnivKK/VzM6GaK50RXwzF1U683opZ =ZRTQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ--