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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255608 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 02:28:14AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I have been trying to find the usefulness for the command >> 'mouse-save-then-kill' and so far I understand what it does but I still >> don't think it is more important/useful/intuitive than a good context >> panel. > >We don't need to choose, since we can get a context menu on >`down-mouse-3` and 'mouse-save-then-kill' on `mouse-3`. > > > Stefan > down-mouse-3 means that it will need to keep the button pressed to keep the panel visible/accessible? If so, then that's not what the user expects in general. I have not strong feelings about this (actually no feelings at all). My main concern is that having a "kill" on double right click the behavior is very error prone when trying to access the panel and could produce accidental and unexpected behaviors very frequently. That's why I think that protecting from an accidental kill requiring a control presses is better while we remove the need of having "another panel more" and we bring a more familiar/natural behavior.