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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255379 Archived-At: On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 05:36:14PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:17:58 +0200 >> From: Ergus >> Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >We are miscommunicating. I said "similar to Company", meaning that >> >the completion drops down a vertical list of candidates that overlays >> >the rest of the display. AFAIK, no existing completion package offers >> >something similar. >> >> Sorry to bother with this. But I don't see how what you describe defers >> from Company. I mean, what is missing in company or what is different >> from your desired behavior? > >Didn't yourself say that Company is not for completion in the >minibuffer? Whereas we are discussing minibuffer completion? > >> I agree that company needs some work, maybe check the bindings and the >> default colors. > >If Company can be used for minibuffer completion, then there's no >problem. > >> icomplete is the best we have embedded. > >Maybe our best is not good enough in this case? In which case, if we >want to offer newcomers an experience that they expect, we need to >implement something which we don't yet have. > Eli: Looking deeper into this, either posframe and ivy are already in elpa. We only need to add ivy-posframe to elpa. There is also a which-key-posframe and even a company-posframe. So we have the whole set of featured you want. WDYT? Add all this to vanila :\?