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* Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-08 16:02 TEC
  2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
  2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 289+ messages in thread
From: TEC @ 2020-09-08 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ghe; +Cc: emacs-devel

Hello everyone,

This is my first time jumping onto the emacs-devel ML so don't be too
harsh :P (also, I'm not subscribed, so if there are anyone wants to
mention me, please CC me).

Yesterday, Gregory Heytings wrote
> FWIW, my own experience with this kind of tools is that those who do
> not have initially a good non-technical reason to use it ...
> This external motivation is necessary to "climb the learning curve",
> so to speak, and "better" defaults will have no influence on it.

If I may interject - I am exactly that user. I started using Emacs via.
Doom early this year, and I honestly doubt that I would still be using
it now otherwise.

The motivating factor was annoyance with JupyterLab. Doom allowed me to
'get started' easily. Looking back on it now, had I had to "climb the
mountain", I don't think I'd be here today. I think I can thank Doom for
turning "climb the mountain" into "slide down the rabbit-hole".

IMO the most significant factor is that Doom allowed me to "just get
started" with the tasks which caused my lingering interest to manifest
into installing. While now I couldn't imagine going without Emacs, that
initial ease was crucial.

If there is further interest in exactly how I think Doom worked for me
when vanilla Emacs wouldn't, I'm more than happy to elaborate :)

All the best,

Timothy.



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* Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-12 14:21 ej32u
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 289+ messages in thread
From: ej32u @ 2020-09-12 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: spacibba; +Cc: emacs-devel

From: 	Ergus
Subject: 	Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: 	Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:58:50 +0200


     I disagree.  Once upon a time F10 was the universally accepted way.


But everybody wanted to provide a menu and everybody bind it to
F10 increasing the probability that someone intercepts it before
arriving to emacs.

     If nowadays it is another key, or a group of other keys, we could
     still provide menus that don't need a mouse.


Ok

-----

There is the command `tmm-menu-bar' which is bound to "M-`". Would it make sense 
to remap this to `menu-bar-open' instead?




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* Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-12 14:21 ej32u
  2020-09-12 16:29 ` Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 289+ messages in thread
From: ej32u @ 2020-09-12 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: spacibba; +Cc: emacs-devel

From: 	Ergus
Subject: 	Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: 	Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:58:50 +0200


     I disagree.  Once upon a time F10 was the universally accepted way.


But everybody wanted to provide a menu and everybody bind it to
F10 increasing the probability that someone intercepts it before
arriving to emacs.

     If nowadays it is another key, or a group of other keys, we could
     still provide menus that don't need a mouse.


Ok

-----

There is the command `tmm-menu-bar' which is bound to "M-`". Would it make sense 
to remap this to `menu-bar-open' instead?




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* RE: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-13  0:36 arthur miller
  2020-09-13  0:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 289+ messages in thread
From: arthur miller @ 2020-09-13  0:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov, Ricardo Wurmus
  Cc: casouri@gmail.com, Ergus, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Alfred M. Szmidt,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com

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Från: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Datum: 2020-09-13 02:17 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Kopia: casouri@gmail.com, Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com
Ämne: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28

On 12.09.2020 17:31, Arthur Miller wrote:
> I guess most of you are familiar with Solarized, but for those that are
> not here is the original author's page that explains "the science"
> behind it:
>
> https://ethanschoonover.com/solarized/

Solarized themes are nice enough color-wise, but they are terribly
low-contrast. It's a struggle to simply read the text when coming other
applications which typically use higher contrast colors (e.g.
Thunderbird and the numerous web sites accessible from Firefox).

------‐--------
There is some addon, Solarized-dark everywhere for Firefox (or something similar) which makes Ffx render all websites in Solarized colors.

But to the topic, I indeed suggested to include Solarized in Emacs, but I also suggested to turn Batsov's implementation of Solarized into more general framework for defining color schemes in Emacs so that people can use it to easily create  and I stall whichever color scheme they like. Thus it does not need to be limited to low contrast at all.

It would make Emacs look more aesthetically pleasing if packages output data in more color consistent and coherent  way instead of everyone sprinkling hardcoded RGB values for their outputs.

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* RE: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28
@ 2020-09-13  1:26 arthur miller
  2020-09-13 11:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 289+ messages in thread
From: arthur miller @ 2020-09-13  1:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dmitry Gutov, Alfred M. Szmidt
  Cc: Ergus, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com

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-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Från: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Datum: 2020-09-13 02:45 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>, "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
Kopia: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com
Ämne: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28

On 12.09.2020 16:16, Arthur Miller wrote:
> I don't liek staring at white backgrounds, it is like looking into a
> lamp. As I write this I have half of my screen on white background (a
> github page) and white in dary green (Emacs) and I can clearly compare
> and see how much harder it is to look at white background of Github.

This looks like a common misconception. Here's how this experiment is
flawed.

The eyes adapts to the current ambient level of lighting. That why when
you go outside you don't usually have to cover your eyes. Even though
daylight's brightness is an order(s) of magnitude higher than the
lighting inside an average office, indoors.

As soon as your eyes and brain notice that the basic level of
illumination has increased, the iris muscles in your eyes contract, the
irises become smaller and let in only the amount of light that is needed
for you to see things clearly, but not more (leading to too-bright a
picture). And when you go back into the shade, the iris muscle relaxes
and the pupils enlarge to, again, capture the appropriate amount of light.

If you ever did some photography (digital or otherwise), you probably
know that more light is generally a good thing, and most cameras can
produce a good picture in generous lighting. In twilight, that takes
more effort.

The bulk of the eye strain comes from those moments when the eye has to
adapt to the new level of brightness. That's when the iris muscle does
its work.

So if you have been working in a dark Emacs for some time, and
especially if the room around you is not well-lit, of course Github and
similar websites would immediately look like a bright sun.

But if you turn on more lights in the room (or simply lower the screen
-----------

It was in the middle of the afternoon when light is at brightest at my place :-).

I don't think it is a misconception. I understand your reasoning but I don't think it really applies. Yeah, sure, there is some adaptation and o on between dark and light, but try to stare at Sun on a shiny day, or to stare  longer time at a light bulb. I don't think your eyes will appreciate, mine certainly won't.

I also think there is a lot of subjectivity here. Muscles and sensitivity is different from person to person. By the way I didn't claim it was a scientific experiment,  just my perception atm.

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2020-09-08 16:02 Changes for emacs 28 TEC
2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
2020-09-08 18:15   ` TEC
2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 21:45           ` Ergus
2020-09-08 22:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
2020-09-09 18:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-10  9:09         ` "modern" colors " Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:20           ` Ergus
2020-09-10 10:29             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 11:08               ` Ergus
2020-09-10 12:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 13:17                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10 13:55                     ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 14:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:40                       ` Ergus
2020-09-10 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:15                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 13:42                   ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:13                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:36                       ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-11 22:14                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:03                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 10:19                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:51                               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13 14:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:40                                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13  4:06                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:24                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 11:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:41                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 15:43                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13  4:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  8:53                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  3:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  8:08                                     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:46                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-14 15:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 15:48                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 10:13                         ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-12 11:13                         ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 12:26                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:27                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 14:52                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 15:37                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 17:26                               ` TEC
     [not found]                                 ` <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-12 18:27                                   ` TEC
2020-09-12 19:57                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  5:53                                     ` TEC
2020-09-12 21:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:49                                     ` TEC
2020-09-15  6:54                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  2:49                                         ` TEC
2020-09-13  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  9:04                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 10:17                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 14:26                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 14:43                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:22                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13  9:16                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-12 19:46                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  1:14                                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-15  6:54                                     ` toggle-light-dark-mode (was: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28) Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-15 17:51                                       ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-15 19:03                                         ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 20:10                                           ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-16 19:31                                             ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:14                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-16 20:32                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:59                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-09-17 14:34                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 17:43                             ` "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 19:53                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 19:59                                 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:09                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:07                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 20:13                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 15:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 16:22                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 16:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:49                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 20:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 21:43                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:26                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:16                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:24                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 14:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:45                                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 17:15                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 17:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:47                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 20:20                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  7:40                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 14:34                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 14:50                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 15:51                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:01                                                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:05                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 16:31                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 14:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:47                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 16:07                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:35                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 14:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:46                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 14:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15  6:54                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 23:29                     ` Philip K.
2020-09-12 11:10                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 11:44                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:46                         ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:24                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 13:16                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 14:31                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  0:17                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 14:52                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  0:44                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
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2020-09-12 14:21 "modern" colors " ej32u
2020-09-12 14:21 ej32u
2020-09-12 16:29 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  0:36 arthur miller
2020-09-13  0:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:49   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  5:14     ` TEC
2020-09-14  6:35       ` Ergus
2020-09-14  8:18         ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:48           ` Ergus
2020-09-15  4:35       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 15:19     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-15  4:44       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-18 13:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 16:06         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 16:17           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 17:14             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-18 18:43               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 19:01                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-15  6:38   ` Marcus Harnisch
2020-09-15 15:54     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  1:26 arthur miller
2020-09-13 11:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 11:50   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 17:29     ` Dmitry Gutov

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