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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255331 Archived-At: On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 02:36:45PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >On 12.09.2020 06:21, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > - Add the extra icon in the toolbar. >> > - Change the undo action in menu-bar and tool-bar by undo-only instead. >> > - Bind undo-redo to something in the keyboard. >> >>Which key? Finding a good key for this is the hardest part of the >>idea. You need to bite the bullet and make specific proposals. > >Proposal has already been made: C-? and M-_ We can't use C-?; it conflicts with some old terminal interfaces we support.