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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255197 Archived-At: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 07:53:38AM -0700, Jack Kamm wrote: >Ergus writes: > >> One thing at the time. Having an alternative to traditional undo that >> could be enabled with one of the profiles we were discussing before or >> throw an option in the menubar is (in my opinion) a good first step. > >I don't think this needs a profile -- just default keybindings for >undo-only and undo-redo. In my usage, they don't replace the standard >undo, rather they complement it. > We don't have too many short bindings available for this. Also having two "undo" I think is gonna be even more confusing for the users.