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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255168 Archived-At: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:15:40AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing > > > some colors. > > > > > >What kind of changes to colors was that? It would be good to quantify > > >what "modern" means. > > > > In general this is very subjective. But looking at WinXP vs Win10 one > > gets more or less where the style feeling is moving to. Specially the > > colors and the default fonts in the interfaces make a big difference; > > but also the whole integration. > > > >Could you list those changes? > > 1) The "included" themes (not only the default one) are a bit more > "attractive" and similar to the ones in VSCode, Sublime or Android > Studio: > > https://themegallery.robdor.com/ > >That lists several hundreds of themes. Can you summarize _what_ >changes where done to make Emacs look more modern? A list of maybe >3-5 things would give a good idea. For example, one concrete change >is to replace a warning face that is bright yellow with a dark yellow. > If you change a single face it doesn't improve anything. The whole thing is the important. The overall result after all the changes. A light toolbar looks worst with a dark background as well; big icons looks terrible with small fonts. > 2) In the windows side they just made the whole colors a bit more > "coherent" with the internal themes, > >What does that mean? What changes did they (who is they?) do exactly? > If you change the background but not the borders, the icons the font-lock faces, modeline and so on; a single change conflicts with the others. I am not designer to quantify that with designer words. > 2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font > (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is > pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal > emulators or desktop environments). > > > 2.2) In the case where they keep the tool-bar the icons are smaller and > more "attractive". Lets say sometimes independent of the theme, but in > general smaller. > >How are the more attractive? The list you provided doesn't show a >single tool-bar. > > 3) Finally they fully redesigned the mode-line. I don't like all the > changes they did because they require many extra external packages that > increase too much the loading time and I prefer to load my emacs in less > than 1 sec. But form the aestetic point of view it is an important > change. > >In what way have the "fully redesigned the mode-line"? The link you >provided has no mode-lines. > https://github.com/jonathanchu/emacs-powerline https://github.com/TheBB/spaceline https://github.com/domtronn/spaceline-all-the-icons.el https://seagle0128.github.io/doom-modeline https://www.spacemacs.org/ (there are pictures) >Please be specific, give examples -- "it is more attractive" without >explicilty saying what "it" is makes for a long discussion. >