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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255152 Archived-At: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 03:04:50PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, spacibba@aol.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:09:17 +0300 >> >> On 11.09.2020 13:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > If people prefer that, we could change the binding, I won't object. >> >> But then we'll have no binding for `undo-redo`, just a menu item? >> >> Or would you be fine with adding a binding for it too? > >Why do we need a binding for it in the default configuration? Not >every command available through the menus has a keybinding by default. > Hi Eli: Could you reconsider my proposal of an undo-redo-mode to: - Add the extra icon in the toolbar. - Change the undo action in menu-bar and tool-bar by undo-only instead. - Bind undo-redo to something in the keyboard. - To enable it in some of the proposed user "profiles" - Not bother the users that somehow won't like to have all that. Having undo with an undo-redo in the same "state" could be confusing as the normal undo could do also redo IMO.