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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255137 Archived-At: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 01:10:29PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >On 11.09.2020 09:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:14:20 +0200 >>>From: Ergus >>>Cc: Ricardo Wurmus, Gregory Heytings, >>> emacs-devel@gnu.org >>> >>>3) Is it possible/should we: add a redo icon in the toolbar >>>conditionally when the mode is enabled? >>> >>>else >>> >>>4) I see a redo added in the menu-bar unconditionally... should we do >>>the same in the toolbar unconditionally? >>I indeed think that the Redo icon should be added unconditionally >>(enabled only when there's something to redo, like the menu item). > >Are you not worried about the divergence between the menu items and >the toolbar, and the actual available bindings? > >And also about the fact the menu item next to 'redo' doesn't call >'undo-only'? Which will be contrary to the expectations of users who >know the concept of 'redo' from other programs. > >I think this created a potential for additional user confusion. > Yes these were/are exactly my concerns. >A global mode like undo-redo-mode, like suggested by Ergus, would >avoid both of these problems. We'd only need to find a key for >'undo-redo'. > >Perhaps, 'M-_' and 'C-?'? That's what undo-tree uses by default. I use C-/ for undo so C-? in my keyboard is C-S-/ so it is perfect. But for people using C-_ (C-S--) maybe M-_ (M-S--) will make more sense (BTW: in Spanish keyboard it does).