From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, drew.adams@oracle.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:59:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200911105932.t2gvutwnry6qbyz6@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d04ebde3-be59-7498-b9e1-806be5e249c6@yandex.ru>
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 01:10:29PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
>On 11.09.2020 09:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:14:20 +0200
>>>From: Ergus<spacibba@aol.com>
>>>Cc: Ricardo Wurmus<rekado@elephly.net>, Gregory Heytings<ghe@sdf.org>,
>>> emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>>
>>>3) Is it possible/should we: add a redo icon in the toolbar
>>>conditionally when the mode is enabled?
>>>
>>>else
>>>
>>>4) I see a redo added in the menu-bar unconditionally... should we do
>>>the same in the toolbar unconditionally?
>>I indeed think that the Redo icon should be added unconditionally
>>(enabled only when there's something to redo, like the menu item).
>
>Are you not worried about the divergence between the menu items and
>the toolbar, and the actual available bindings?
>
>And also about the fact the menu item next to 'redo' doesn't call
>'undo-only'? Which will be contrary to the expectations of users who
>know the concept of 'redo' from other programs.
>
>I think this created a potential for additional user confusion.
>
Yes these were/are exactly my concerns.
>A global mode like undo-redo-mode, like suggested by Ergus, would
>avoid both of these problems. We'd only need to find a key for
>'undo-redo'.
>
>Perhaps, 'M-_' and 'C-?'? That's what undo-tree uses by default.
I use C-/ for undo so C-? in my keyboard is C-S-/ so it is perfect. But
for people using C-_ (C-S--) maybe M-_ (M-S--) will make more
sense (BTW: in Spanish keyboard it does).
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