From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:28 +0200 Message-ID: <20200911103028.qkgvlvwyrrzcmhbo@Ergus> References: <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <875z8k4wv8.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , Gregory Heytings , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Philip K." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255125 Archived-At: On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 09:04:59AM +0200, Philip K. wrote: >Richard Stallman writes: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most likely >> > happen is that they will never agree to do this. Menus are not "modern". >> >> What in the world? This strikes me as incomprehensible. >> >> Who thinks "Menus are not modern"? Why? >> What do they use instead of menus? >> >> (Perhaps they use a different kind of menu >> but do not think of it as a manu.) > >I think that this is the case, most programmes seem to use the >"Hamburger Menu"[0] instead of a transitional top-menu. I'm not sure >what the reason for this change was, but I have a hunch one of the >motivating reasons was the attempt to merge applications and the window >frames (as GNOME does in the free software world, but Chrome, MS Office, >etc. do in the non-free world). When no space is left between the >application and it's frame, the menu must be moved somewhere >else. Another reason is probably the influence of mobile applications, >that use these kinds of menus due to lack of space. > >[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_button > >-- > Philip K. > I agree that people are using such "Hamburger Menu" (not telling we should do the same or not) Because in the same way some users are concerned about space saving and line-numbers; others are concerned about vertical space and menu-bar + toolbar space saving. Usually screens are wider than taller. The other thing is the addiction to right click and find everything there (undo, redo, copy, paste, goto, select all, goto).