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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254913 Archived-At: On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 12:19:10PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Emacs a try, as we all do from time to time for programs we don't know, >> expecting that they would first watch videos (or to read introductory >> material) sets the bar way too high. > >Yes and no: many (young) people seem to spend most of their time >watching videos (as in, watching videos is their equivalent to my being >idle). But admittedly, those videos usually last 10s or so (and if not, >they switch to the next video anyway), so we'd have to use *very* short >videos, ideally funny and sexy, maybe with a cat? > > > Stefan To start lets see what video series are around and it seems to be some material already (and the most important, people willing to do emacs videos): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcw42ZGJDo&list=PLstWlvURJNxQknxEfkIktiPDfUrAUC8s6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kBWM3RQQ8&list=PL9KxKa8NpFxIcNQa9js7dQQIHc81b0-Xg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27zOhfN8Ys&list=PLGP2UnPoZ7HzLGU2cyK1MXSZwXy5niFkk So far (as I have seen most of those) they have just 3 issues: 1) Put most of the attention in the external packages and not in the vanilla functionalities. 2) They are not connected or referenced in the emacs web site. But also they make little or no reference to the manual at all. 3) I saw a series of vim tutorials and the videos were sealing vim much better. Even the vim terrible modes they found a way to sale them as features.. 4*) There are very few videos about elisp language and programming or the emacs infrastructure.