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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254860 Archived-At: On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 10:41:16AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: >On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Ergus wrote: >> Hi Arthur: >> >> The non technical part of the "popularity" problem is >> >> 1) the lack of interaction of core emacs developers with the communities >> outside (github independent package developers, reddit, telegram groups) > >You depict it as if it were just in that one direction. This is >interesting. > >Cheers > - t I think that there is so much fragmentation in the user community because we don't have anything "official" more dynamic and modern (or familiar) than the mailing list. I mean something equivalent to gitter/trello/github's issues/slack channel. So the users create/find their own alternatives and this ends in many sub communities. The closest is the reddit channel where Eli interacts frequently. But of course there is not any link to that in the emacs site, the readme or anywhere.