From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discoverability (was: Changes for 28) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:07:18 +0200 Message-ID: <20200909080718.GB31381@tuxteam.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21769"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 10:08:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFv9I-0005ZF-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:08:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42490 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFv9H-000882-M9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 04:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFv8U-0006u1-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 04:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:54564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFv8S-0002Sz-JM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 04:07:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=cl8HQzdDcnImJUaguxw4gZQBzdvkecSrQcpWCaQmeh8=; b=Ur7/11zIZeh6U2UXaGdLcaYNwcnDHI/We0m9UVOP2TRJpSgNf+f7cy84ntOuRFzTIU1ip4tj0IVFMU5nF6VzsRJ78gqAjJ1Q/ni2F+lA4Zqu5CDrcqQcVHxBqlddU9gTjtNWfg+xFAblaZ2jgvQyGYnjpS1ZU7s1rQI8XMbCOI3eigOP7CaCa5Lj1HwnH1Zv66FbekHtiDu/ZtiyueAKSa8E6+blaxUMBFuqp6wlkT0GVhTHMDHEjMGWPvOSwfBHA6urC8vb0WaXxYOYIAycl6w9ZKo8Rj7XgIfnVbPgFqFjHe6TF6wxwz2YPrWKH63hS+RHzNM7Sw/FUrkICN1+uA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1kFv8Q-0000E6-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:07:18 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 03:57:50 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254852 Archived-At: --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 07:51:59PM -0700, Stefan Kangas wrote: [...] > I don't see how the "don't break userspace" maxim of Linux kernel > development could be applied to Emacs in any meaningful way. But it is: Changes to core are done with consideration towards users "out there", there is a deprecation mechanism, etc. "Don't break users" is, I think, common to both. The colours may vary :) > We deal in Lisp, not ABI:s. An interface is an interface is an interface :) Sure, Lisp gives the user side more leverage than an ABI, which is in resonance with the GNU philosophy. Cheers - t --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl9YjTYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZZLgCffz4FiV0nLTuBXn7nheImzter cB8AoIHPBvy726v30W4NT7mFcBYsU73w =Ff1g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13--