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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254822 Archived-At: On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 09:01:51PM +0000, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> Maybe we don't need them fully but at least a part of their >> functionalities could be inserted in packages.el? > >What do you have in mind? > Actually nothing specific. I just prevented in case it was not ongoing. OTOH: While I use use-packages I have seen leaf and it seems to have some interesting things and it is "syntax coherent" in some aspects while developed by a single user with all the paperwork done. We must take the best of both. Could we request Naoya Yamashita and John Wiegley to create together a sort of super use-package-leaf for vanilla?