From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Boruch Baum Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 07:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: <20200908110155.ebm5mydoyhernqj7@E15-2016.optimum.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35558"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 To: Emacs-Devel List Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 13:05:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFbR1-00096x-JE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:05:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52614 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFbR0-0005sV-Fh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFbNy-0003cY-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:40697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFbNw-00055X-NJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 07:02:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1599562918; bh=QwC6EA+ufqttJR+SJDDdJb6Y2jGyHx1T7bwg3V+yIx4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject; b=gnY2+uhdOvZ+zuOspE72k3CzEPX25DPGgcn2NcGHKesizvCp/skc/NWkduxozt/KB jVsSJF2yF0lkXrsVFi8XvteWbKU0ALDHXZSr5WNpsgFoCCu7gmoIwSZ7B+Wy97lXgt ymQR+Cla7iqNeWI+cnokVctX+NYiAjQ/yvdivxZA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from E15-2016.optimum.net ([72.89.170.172]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.184]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MUowV-1k6QS71IXZ-00QlqQ for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:01:58 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:TVdJk0rnFfOkB2DJeWI7E2WHzpehZSjgfTYlu8BSAr2aQzP/f14 C4vYKYiGjx0TlwYA2QQlvjpp0TzSw7U9Ho+dUq68MajJjI6FDRCB54OXuUHgzHSqwfk41mX w5S5Cha6fCzmc90jZiV9zUf9GNfu0c2TZiN3uXhpj7025mPYKtCmbx26K7i9s1k4tAk6fCf Zqr1D9zWqoLniBrYlDe3g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:JPZytCs9uP0=:lmLRr9tHZGAD7c2vZ6L8W5 KbQ5U3Rf3kx7kuv2HDgcFTqnelhWBQFp6zbraCTil/F+vmJOvE1UivZIkQqQL+We+RkX5KuBA gJjd27UnjdghqiOPYH6dqMecfrCDPAHOPWS+4+qL6MBa97WNrPLgCYYWFMtIm/Q+wgp9ZEVoJ 0Q2UabhIHmD29o+mv99CmhFP9atGOLAT0Not7h4cbHBjxmOEaJ4Kc+o3yyVJf03wpWQANUVAm n8BxxX1hCYjIn6NybN9rH/4K/K+ShH53MHdb/jIhyPdHE2Z7q9dpTCy1QWNhFPY5KkbK6Y58Z mgNpgDw+5BIGQNS2iSsenSwt6YXAApeN2Zqp6CJk7D6PNANJhn203zHRbUcf5Nu0zLrZWB+Hn jI45VlA0Utdw1nBCKtFpMOg6+ncFUBJebjwz2fjmmYfwj6GDcAi0+04wd/x0Z/t2J12jtaYwC jNDy1+4l1D0s7D63f+bKqGCHbZMmM7U6XqxtOnWDW8izIo59xNa21bm35rxKgcSIwooz5jhJh ngtzn562f/3l0DaP1OGv82pDeYwJLV1X6srFgkk55ijxCP6Scy/qw0BQS7Gcbw+wjzL+O2g9L gq5xF8acHZYmJry/iMfQdGsBXDemQxPw76sETMZprNA98zsZvPcQtWbW7OBVc+tRvitraOgzH gsNReSnzR3IuuK7DF1+5Q3NHFGGgtnkrveN8OYxpcU4wLRne5dzgNexGy9W4u+Qkj+CFyrH7Q +JAkxWx3pHl4Gpko/0SqzjQSEhcmN9e00G/Tdd6Zr5pgSCW22YP2lbn2NBo7pjoFx2yg2WZl Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=boruch_baum@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/08 06:49:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254717 Archived-At: My suggestion does skew to 'people willing to make the extra effort to perform internet searches or downloads', so it will miss populations such as 'people who download emacs, try it for a minutes, and reject it on that basis'. OTOH emacs has had sufficient time to establish a reputation for itself, so anyone taking the first step to download vanilla emacs can be expected to already have an expectation of a 'learning curve' ahead and a future of constant tinkering. =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0