From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 09:26:27 +0200 Message-ID: <20200908072626.GA10609@tuxteam.de> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87wo15adtj.fsf@rabkins.net> <87tuw8kirh.fsf@localhost> <8dbb5170-f7a7-4541-bd61-a007dbd4f8ff@default> <87r1rckf2z.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37942"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 09:27:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFY2C-0009ls-MR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:27:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37686 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFY2B-00082s-PY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:27:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48648) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFY1V-0007be-Fs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:26:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:51503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFY1S-0003P4-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:26:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=rfH5c7epr1XBLmOav4ZSbuPnbxzSAnAkmmodKCdHT20=; b=gBHwHc1223eFY9naJSWahAJlxuvc+tM9UyJ3eU+ySvqPAandqMH5pJIkTBldGuyfGpNOXig+j6ofojoYtnsgwXfNQnIqvOA5tLqHZp7a4/xkgbUrjG45eTAtQR7wfXrVJeqfM9u7OIgQYXIoeo5G7BIYBbwRXN5jArOCxRLiBtWinXj7rSxTBz63JOGi5hTvbEvQF4RNOAxKas+PLuWJy/IICHTcpB12u5xlB135bGzE31l6Ne5ZvtzQMPM1UWKyTAHFIw6eQ3R9KYF4TkVr8+Y4DZQSnnsu2UC/Ji9gWpG297GTjuR96gi5/B6zY5ibMsUc4oTeD10IPLClEYmm4w==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1kFY1L-0002vL-1c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:26:27 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87r1rckf2z.fsf@localhost> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/08 03:26:31 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254701 Archived-At: --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 01:33:24PM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Doesn't menu File > Open File do what you request, > > by default? [...] > Hmm. You are right. I thought that the problem was with Emacs defaults, > but it seems to be a problem with [...] I'm sure there are a couple of things to learn from this, although I can't quite put my finger on it. A try: - versatility vs. user experience fragmentation? - ease/difficulty of moving between Emacs "subworlds"? - opinionated/authoritarian vs. permissive/loosey-goosey? Does software have a pedagogical duty? If yes, which one? I think those questions have some relationship with Gnu's core values, somehow. Sorry for being so fuzzy. Cheers - t --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl9XMiIACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbTTQCdHh27M4sxq4NLMKIGcQwIDKZp UQIAn11XA8PBLHFFyROnGveDcBgAopJv =Wx/L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo--