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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254619 Archived-At: On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 00:20:08 +0200, Ergus wrote: > There will be never an agreement about changing defaults with long > ... > So what if: > ... > Does this makes sense? Debian (and possibly other downstream projects) liberally change defaults and add packages to their default version of emacs, so your idea might meet a more enthusiastic reception somewhere in some downstream project that caters more specifically to the user-base to which your proposal is aimed. In the case of Debian, that project may have already started moving in the *opposite* direction; they culled many small debian-specific tweaks, and removed packages from their 'vanilla' default version of emacs. On the other hand, they've increased and somewhat standardized native package-manager support for many third-party packages that most users get MELPA or other third-parties. Communicating with people at the following links might help advance your proposal: https://github.com/bbatsov/prelude http://wikemacs.org/wiki/Starter_Kits -- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0