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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254573 Archived-At: Hi Elias: Your link is basically a set of personal opinions with not concise arguments at all against the "popular" keys that support dark mode use. They refer to only 1 study; for the eye stress; they suggest to work less in light screen mode while they present the comfortableness of dark mode as an addiction problem. So when you say "quantifiably worse" I hope you refer to something else. OTOH there are also other "studies" blaming emacs for carpal tunnel syndrome and even some posts of special keyboards only for emacs... so not all "studies" are serious. There actually are serious market studies, company studies, application studies, ergonomic studies supporting dark mode. But also in the link I shared there are the statistics of downloaded emacs themes; the popularity experience of spacemacs or doom-emacs and also other editors (atom, sublime, VSCode, Android Studio, the new Arduino IDE). Is everybody wrong? I won't insist on this because in my experience this doesn't go anywhere. But when I talked about theme I made in the general way (font-lock, terminal, bars); because even vim has "better" default colors. Dark thing was just one part of this. On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 11:00:39PM +0800, Elias M?rtenson wrote: >On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >> 1) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark theme to make >> emacs feel more modern. Experienced users usually already have a custom >> theme, so they won't be affected. There is actually some statistics >> about downloades themes here: >> >> This would be an utterly disastrous change. As an experienced user, I >> do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of Emacs. >> > >Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone. > >Also, while dark background is popular right now, it's not necessarily >better. Apart from the fact that there is actual science showing that dark >backgrounds are worse for one's eyes, I believe the current trend is merely >the pendulum is swinging back. > >Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the terminal era. Then >monitors became better and white background was finally usable. Now, people >who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants to change things for >the sake of change, so that is now popular, even though it's actually >quantifiably worse. > >This Wired article on the topic contains links to actual research on this: >https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science > >Regards, >Elias