From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Quit and Close Emacs Special Windows Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:22:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20200629172230.mpm4ahvj2wm7ak5k@ergus> References: <87ftaej5pp.fsf.ref@ergus.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87ftaej5pp.fsf@ergus.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <3c578050-2a23-411e-bad0-c26a7c7ed5ee@default> <20200629164524.y74lx5xgdomfj25b@ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="124333"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 29 19:23:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jpxVA-000WGQ-Nw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:23:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jpxV9-0000i1-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jpxUe-0000By-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:22:56 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic315-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.134.123]:34770) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jpxUb-00062d-F0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:22:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1593451371; bh=AifhLennxC3efD4+ZQ+lOII3K/+n3+++LZSB83Y9d34=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=QACMJ3rQb+6E+I9f91AwlB35b/BAm4J/PpA57KYwNqNEbpKIInK/WiGwBthheR2B1qQgen4DFCAZH+nZ4xyguLQjumV8sjQyOp8JN6qY9BfD9+Tf3w+jpHotNrMN5rUBav5tAR35r4/sKQPTqIM8SHsv6vEcOASHk9CoYiWyWHC0LPI4k39V5NzicLhwO8Z+I4+24gX5dVxzplEn4lPG+eeH8YQZgadh+kAJtpQeNZw09DuFYGAmR21xfmmb63Gwvs3uNxsgT51L30Y4lylqTGOCi+spRHZT7t4bjlhhFRfw+z7hdS0WK4jGIAgawyguJzyHSHaMEbkIEUnbbU/Oow== X-YMail-OSG: 1CtajCAVM1mpD26kNrdbKqjzJeR_QwyaPVSA8xdu7dGlrvmopwAE6jzfyxfiQ7L jUO.35pco4rAnXl69VN4.nCJN1zlI7_hF258sd3JI2oFou0quGRPoMoX3cYV3REpfRi8NCi4nkdd x_RZWEC8AAksbTbAGKq.OeLneZHcUnAFaqR7DULYLCgljzk72Ll5Y_Fy5BEBF41xjIpXx.bO0u3Z wPqpBffPyXuIt.RJBAqR6QxqWp287C3NhmhZb9r55ON5LmoATubsaO1VUWS4OseFrxYIXKuu8at2 15NtWrsnwc9LiceRJDIcgxBTJCro0bOc5Z1_oyNFT485.jSiC5yeL.AAYkZmGCet9mhnTZwCEa3B U5WZYRm2H52fXmb9uoW_RJoXA9ewE4u5LyJWLJeGa3zVWIKGby26C34tB95sNls90wa_tbNcINus iiECuFi444hFkS56PkpQRSX_Gg2SGB_xvEPOArMG9D799Il4Bmcq9jg.HDvtaGzu902EepRGs.Lk k5v3Z8lrIjqq4qnvuJZm4G.tjiA0TFC.W9zfs4veWq1A028JprBl0gavqdkt7nLWbWRKE69YF2iG fDBYgheu._cckXrwlJBoSeqcqrwaPD8q2EF44BSi2HNfQDB8uY4yACBz5Ohei6FOnj1G2.k2TjDr za7j7xoiaqBH0KXylTqj2h1JutXGOndXelVGjV_mDd1vDVDv3MXMnsHD2yd3DkOG5MWlVod2DvhD 3w6_hO9PL517jRmfnTSfssfuzf_JTpTjTODQpspv62wTlvIvE_7PE9PNxXFWHP4ORJ2ylis_dzYc Fw0x.aKp46gmv7GG_vpWWI3RHE8EAnKBMPy.yAdrzP Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:22:51 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp425.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 013e49fe4bed0371275a97e5bd62cfd0; Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 hermes_aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=74.6.134.123; envelope-from=spacibba@aol.com; helo=sonic315-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/29 11:56:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252571 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:00:01PM +0000, Drew Adams wrote: > >No idea; sorry. I'm just saying what I do. > >The definition of `quit-window-delete' that I use >has this comment: > > ;; Candidate as a replacement for `quit-window', > ;; at least when used interactively. For example: > ;; (define-key global-map [remap quit-window] 'quit-window-delete) > ;; > ;; Thanks to Martin Rudalics for suggestions. > >Someone else will need to make changes to Emacs, if >such is decided. > >The things I mentioned don't necessarily belong >together for others. For me they make sense together. > >For example, making buffers `*...*' special-display >is unrelated to quitting help buffers with `q'. > I tried your code for making buffers `*...*' special-display and as I only use -nw the behavior is not good. The first time I call commands like `man' nothing happens in the front but the buffer starts in the backend. In gui the behavior is fine as expected. >But for me it makes sense. I show all such buffers >in their own dedicated window (frame, in fact), and >when I use `q' to quit the buffer I want to delete >the frame. I imagine that at least some others won't >want such behavior. > >Do I think that it would be good to have a simple way >to get `q' to delete the window? Yes. Do I think it >would be good to have a simple way for `q' to delete >a one-window frame? Yes. But someone else will need >to think about and decide whether that's helpful in >general and, if so, what's the best way to offer it. I think that with a simple variable and an `or` in the condition will be good enough (something like quit-always-kill or so). The only corned case I can imagine so far is the case where quit-window is not called from `q' in not *...* buffers. But I don't know if that even happen. Hopefully someone will come with a better solution... Best, Ergus.